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Is it forcing? "Standard" Bidding

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Posted 2005-April-14, 09:49

HeartA, on Apr 14 2005, 03:45 PM, said:

Since we are talking about "standard", ♠AT974,♥7,♦KQT5,♣Q72 is not qualified for opening.

I did not know that "standard" was a synonym of Roth-Stone :-)
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Posted 2005-April-14, 09:59

In Acol (which I try to refuse to play whenever possible)

1) Forcing
2) Not forcing (which is why I refust to play it)
3) Forcing if playing weak NT, NF if not
4) Not forcing (see 2)
5) Not forcing
6) Not forcing (see 2 again)
7) Not forcing
8) Forcing (although I've had it passed with 9 tricks in 3NT cold)
9) Forcing (see 8)
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Posted 2005-April-15, 03:34

What about
1♠-2♣
2♠-2NT
3♣
?
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Posted 2005-April-15, 03:41

HeartA, on Apr 14 2005, 10:45 AM, said:

Since we are talking about "standard", ♠AT974,♥7,♦KQT5,♣Q72 is not qualified for opening.

Do as you please, standard or not. This is a standard opener in modern bridge. That is exactly why the system needs to be adjusted.

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Posted 2005-April-15, 04:58

helene_t, on Apr 15 2005, 09:34 AM, said:

What about
1♠-2♣
2♠-2NT
3♣
?

Forcing.
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Posted 2005-April-15, 05:23

helene_t, on Apr 15 2005, 04:34 AM, said:

What about
1♠-2♣
2♠-2NT
3♣
?

Hi,

this depends if the seq.

1♠-2♣
3♣-

is forcing or not.

This seq. is forcing for me, so your seq.
is non forcing.
But there is no real reason, not to play it the other
way round.

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Posted 2005-April-15, 05:32

I thought standard opening strength was "add your two longest suits to your high card points and if it's 20 or more, open".
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Posted 2005-April-15, 08:03

Gerben42, on Apr 15 2005, 12:32 PM, said:

I thought standard opening strength was "add your two longest suits to your high card points and if it's 20 or more, open".

Standard was 13+HCP, but standards change... Most people just use "rule of 20", others base themselves on losers, zar points, or any other method.

Opening strength is more a matter of handevaluation than system, especially in standard systems.
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Posted 2005-April-15, 08:19

Free, on Apr 15 2005, 02:03 PM, said:

Opening strength is more a matter of handevaluation than system, especially in standard systems.


True, but there has to be an agreement with pard when it comes to the minimum playing strength (call it ZAR points or losers or whatever) AND minimum defensive strength (say quick tricks) promised by an opener, in case pard has to guess at high level whether to double opps preemption or whether to take a sac .

This agreement means that your hand evaluation must comply to what pard will expect.
Otherwise, many players just use "hand evaluation" just an excuse to open on whatever they feel like, putting in trouble pard that never knows how much defense they indeed have.


I think in most "standard" agreements, an opening guarantees 2+ quick tricks in terms of defensive strength.
In terms of offensive strength it's less straightforward, playing in a pickup partnership I'd use "Rule of 20", without wasted honors and sometimes upgrading the hand due to good intermediates, but always guaranteeing 2 QT.
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Posted 2005-April-15, 18:39

1♦-(2♣ overcall)-2♠ Forcing (but is greed mostly).
1♠-2♦-2♠ -2♦ is autoforcing to another bid.

1♠-2♦-2NT -Game Forcing.

1♠-2♦-3♦ -Game Forcing.

1♠-2♦-2♥-2♠ -Not forcing

1♠-2♦-2♥-3♠ -Slam try.

1♦-1♠-2♣-3♠ -Not forcing.

1NT-2♥-2♠-3♣ -Game Forcing.

1NT-2♣-2♥-3♣ -Game Forcing.

Oh well, now I read, Alain said it all correctly as suposed :), you better hear him next time ;).
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