[Walddk]

beatrix45, on Apr 23 2005, 01:52 PM, said:

After all, she could have passed 4♣

That's not on! 3♣ is game forcing (new suit at the 3-level by opener as well as responder always is), so 4♣ is definitely not passable.

Occasionally, 3♣ can be only 3 cards if you have no ideal bid available, but game forcing it is.

Roland

[mike777]

Different viewpoint.

Stop making 2/1 game force with every 12 HCP hand.
With "1NT forcing" already overflowing, putting more into it will not make it any worse and will make rest of your bidding more constructive.

One possible auction:
1S=1NT
2C=2D="BART VERSIONS"
2S=4C=(DENY 2H-OFTEN AROUND 5134 OR VERY GOOD SPADE SUIT;SUPER MAX INVITE)
4H=5C=(CUEBID;SIGNOFF)

[keylime]

If using SAYC then six clubs isn't great - probably less than 40 percent.

Just getting to five clubs should be an excellent score.

[beatrix45]

Walddk, on Apr 23 2005, 04:13 PM, said:

Occasionally, 3♣ can be only 3 cards if you have no ideal bid available, but game forcing it is.

Roland

Good this point came up. The majority of 2/1 players play a 2/1 as GF, but a sizable minority play it as forcing only to the four level. Personally, I like the latter treatment a little better but am not a fanatic about it. This issue is one of the first things that a newly forming 2/1 partnership needs to settle.

Also, some 2/1 players say that a suit rebid by responder shows a long suit and can be passed. As in:

1♠ - P - 2♣ - P
2♥ - P - 3♣ - P
P - P

[Fluffy]

I would bid 3♠ rather than 4♣, still the slam looks 'good', should be around 35% or so.

[whereagles]

I've played much worse slams. This one has a decent chance on a cross ruff, regardless of where the club queen is..