[Winstonm]

Scoring: IMP

W N E S
3N* 4C* P 4S*
X ?

*3N is gambling but with outside cards.
*4C is natural
*4S is undiscussed

Now what?

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[luke warm]

if this is the bidding (sorry it's a little confusing)

west----------north----------east----------south
3nt ----------- 4c ---------- p ----------- 4s
x

then as north i pass

[whereagles]

I redouble.

[pbleighton]

Pass.

Peter

[pclayton]

Rewind it. Heck.

I have a personal rule: if they ever double a game bid where I'm planning a slam try, the blue card comes out.

But I'm in a punchy mood this morning.

[mike777]

Pass for now

Do you mean what are we going to bid after E runs to 5D?

[mr1303]

Yeah, I'll send this one back as well. Over 5D, if partner doubles I'll sit for it, if partner passes (forcing) I'll try 5H and see where that leads to.

[pclayton]

Jlall, on Apr 3 2005, 12:14 PM, said:

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The opponents may run to 5D, in which case we will have no idea what to do.

Over 5♦, I'll try 5N; side heart suit - implied spade tolerance and long clubs.

Doesn't anyone find it odd that the preemptor is doubling 4♠?

I like a slam bid with these cards instead of passing 4♠ x'd.

[the hog]

"Doesn't anyone find it odd that the preemptor is doubling 4â™ ? "

He has probably made a Lightner and forgotten that he is on lead.

[Winstonm]

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"Doesn't anyone find it odd that the preemptor is doubling 4â™ ? "

Opener is not making a pre-emptive gambling 3N - his bid showed a solid suit and outside cards.

So, the question is: what does pard's 4S bid look like? Would he bid a suit that would leave enough outstanding spade cards for RHO to double? Has RHO doubled on KJ10x, A, AKQJxxx? If so, pard has introduced A9xxx as a trump suit. Would he? Should he? Also, would a reasonable player bury the spade suit with a first seat 3N with that hand?

So the real queston is: What is going on here and what should I do?

WinstonM

[mike777]

I understand.

RHO has 18 hcp and 2aces and 4 spades
I have 2 aces
IF p has one ace that makes 5 so I assume we are playing with 53+ cards

[Winstonm]

Mike777 QUOTE]IF p has one ace that makes 5 so I assume we are playing with 53+ cards [/QUOTE]

Exactly!!! Now you are catching on. Who DOES hold the 5th ace? LoL.

Seriously though, would it occur to anyone that RHO may hold a much better penalty of 5C than 4S and is trying to pull one over on you?

WinstonM

[Fluffy]

I am not that sure that 4♣ is natural, if partner has ♦Jxxx and ♣xx he will take 4♣ as showing both majors unless you actually agreed that.

Still that is unlikelly to happen, I have no clue of what the double is about, so I pass.

[jdulmage]

Winstonm, on Apr 3 2005, 11:06 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

W N E S
3N* 4C* P 4S*
X ?

*3N is gambling but with outside cards.
*4C is natural
*4S is undiscussed

Now what?

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Just pass - you've said your story.

[pclayton]

Winstonm, on Apr 3 2005, 02:14 PM, said:

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"Doesn't anyone find it odd that the preemptor is doubling 4â™ ? "

Opener is not making a pre-emptive gambling 3N - his bid showed a solid suit and outside cards.

So, the question is: what does pard's 4S bid look like? Would he bid a suit that would leave enough outstanding spade cards for RHO to double? Has RHO doubled on KJ10x, A, AKQJxxx? If so, pard has introduced A9xxx as a trump suit. Would he? Should he? Also, would a reasonable player bury the spade suit with a first seat 3N with that hand?

So the real queston is: What is going on here and what should I do?

WinstonM

And those "cards" are round Kings that are getting swallowed up.

I realize 4♠ may have some irritating handling and entry problems, but I guarantee you that RHO doesn't know that.

After thinking about this for a few days, I feel more strongly about the BLUE card.

[Winstonm]

The hand from actual play:

Scoring: IMP

Comments?

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[pclayton]

About expected.

Making 5?