[cherdano]

I would like to start a thread devoted only to trying to find the best defense against the MisIry transfer preempts. I think once we have settled on one, Ben MIGHT fire up bridgebrowser and tell us how it would work out on actual hands....and I would be curious to see the results.

There are already a few suggestion, the first one by hrothgar:
http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?sho...indpost&p=61399

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Direct seat double of 3♦ = Cooperative oriented penalty double of 3♥
Direct seat 3♥ Cue bid = "Classic" takeout double
Direct seat 3♠ = Standard 3 Spade overcall
3NT = To play, typically based on a running minor
4♣ = Clubs and Spades
4♦ = Diamonds and Spades
4♥ = Hearts
4♠ Good hand with Spades

Assume for the moment that I pass...

When 3♥ comes back to me...

X = Pure penalty double
3♠ = Weak takeout of hearts
3NT = Both minors
4♣ = Single suited with Clubs
4♦ = Single suited with Diamonds

[cherdano]

The next one was suggested by awm: http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?sho...indpost&p=61409

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Direct seat Pass = either a weak hand, or a strong single suiter
Direct seat X = cards, usually balanced around 14/15+ points, promises some cards in the actual bids suit (but Hxx is enough); this encourages partner to make a light takeout double after the transfer is accepted.
Direct seat bid (not accept of the xfer) = competitive, not super-strong
Direct seat "accept" of transfer = stopper ask, same as 2♥-3♥ for example
Direct seat 3NT = to play, but serious values (not the hands where you "guess" a 3NT on 16 bal)

If direct seat passes, then partner basically bids as if the weak bid was opened. After direct seat X and accept of transfer, partner is encouraged to act with light values. If direct seat passes and transfer accepted, no need to be super-aggressive with takeout shape.

In balancing seat after 3♦-P-3♥-P-P or the like:

Double = balancing takeout, weakish and good shape
Suit bid = a GOOD hand, forcing to game (otherwise would've bid directly to compete over strong hand possibility)

Double then double again is also takeout, but shows sound values.

[inquiry]

Here is the problem with MisIry. When the hand is strong, the next hand frequently has that suit. Why? Opener is distributional and usually short in the "transfer suit" and never more than 3 cards.

So against the normal trnasfer preempt (with no strong option), a cue-bid of the "transfer" suit can not be that suit. Here, I think that it is importnat to have someway to show that YOU hold the transfer suit. Of course, if you have six and opener has six or seven, your bidding will not be a good thing, but such is life.

There is also a chance that a lead directing double of the suit opened (showing that suit) is a good thing, both for when you make the dboule and when you don;t.

I have been thinking,
Pass with a takeout double. The advantage of the pass is that now the weakness of the transfer method is on responder. Should he jump, should complete the tranfer? He has to make a decison.

I am thinking I would like the overcall in the tranfer suit to be natural. This natural bid has a lot of risk, but it has chance for instant reward if you have a fit there. If you pass by the time the bidding gets back to you. Opener will have (with strong hand) described distribution and losers.

I am for liking double showing the suit doubled, and if it is a minor, it denies interest in the major(s). And I like 4 of a minor as nonjumpiing micheels showing the bid minor and a major. Over 3H, dbl shows hearts, and then you can bid 4C/4D with the two suiter, so 4C is two suiter (minors), and 4D is just long diamonds in this one case.

Pass then double normal takeout. Pass and then bid 3H is just hearts. Pass and then bid 3S is just spades.

Something like that.

Ben

Over 3C, I want 3H to be hearts and spades, pass and then bid hearts just hearts. An immediate 3NT is natural.

[david_c]

I like Richard's defense.

Against a 3♥ transfer opening, you might be able to convince me that double should show hearts. But against a 3♣ or 3♦ opening I think Richard had it absolutely right.

I really don't like the idea of playing the "cue-bid" as natural. You're hoping they have the strong hand, but your bid isn't at all pre-emptive, so all you can hope for is that partner has a fit and can bounce. Meanwhile you've given LHO a free double. So, on those occasions where opener has a strong hand, your bid is a bit like doubling a strong club opening. Whereas, if opener has the weak type, you've handicapped yourself by not having a different meaning for the cue-bid.

[hrothgar]

inquiry, on Apr 8 2005, 05:06 AM, said:

Here is the problem with MisIry. When the hand is strong, the next hand frequently has that suit. Why? Opener is distributional and usually short in the "transfer suit" and never more than 3 cards.

So against the normal trnasfer preempt (with no strong option), a cue-bid of the "transfer" suit can not be that suit. Here, I think that it is importnat to have someway to show that YOU hold the transfer suit. Of course, if you have six and opener has six or seven, your bidding will not be a good thing, but such is life.

Another difference of opinion...

Lets assume that 3♦ opener has the "strong" hand type and denies Hearts.
You are correct. Opener's Heart shortage makes it more likely that I have long Hearts. With this said and done, it doesn't mean that I want to show Hearts at the 3 level. A simple one step overcall exposes us to penalty doubles by LHO and doesn't use any useful amount of bidding space. If I'm showing Hearts, I want to be able to do so preemptively with a jump to 4♥to jam your auction when you have the strong hand type.

As I noted earlier... I suggest almost ignoring the possibility that opener has the strong hand type. Assume that opener has the weak hand type an focus on ensuring that you have a good constructive structure as well as lots of options for penalty doubles.

Once you've devised your structure, go back to an start looking at the conditional probabilities. I suspect that if hold a classic "penalty double" orieinted hand, odds are that opener is sitting on the weak hand type. The most important hand type to check is the "cooperative" penalty double hand that starts with a direct seat double. (This hand type shows sufficient values for a penalty double but lacks the trump stack that one would normally like). As Ben noted, this could backfire if the opponents have a Diamond fit. Partner will need a good runout scheme if he is weak with short Diamonds.

[inquiry]

hrothgar, on Apr 8 2005, 10:44 AM, said:

inquiry, on Apr 8 2005, 05:06 AM, said:

Here is the problem with MisIry. When the hand is strong, the next hand frequently has that suit. Why? Opener is distributional and usually short in the "transfer suit" and never more than 3 cards.

So against the normal trnasfer preempt (with no strong option), a cue-bid of the "transfer" suit can not be that suit. Here, I think that it is importnat to have someway to show that YOU hold the transfer suit. Of course, if you have six and opener has six or seven, your bidding will not be a good thing, but such is life.

Another difference of opinion...

Lets assume that 3♦ opener has the "strong" hand type and denies Hearts.
You are correct. Opener's Heart shortage makes it more likely that I have long Hearts. With this said and done, it doesn't mean that I want to show Hearts at the 3 level. A simple one step overcall exposes us to penalty doubles by LHO and doesn't use any useful amount of bidding space. If I'm showing Hearts, I want to be able to do so preemptively with a jump to 4♥to jam your auction when you have the strong hand type.

As I noted earlier... I suggest almost ignoring the possibility that opener has the strong hand type. Assume that opener has the weak hand type an focus on ensuring that you have a good constructive structure as well as lots of options for penalty doubles.

Once you've devised your structure, go back to an start looking at the conditional probabilities. I suspect that if hold a classic "penalty double" orieinted hand, odds are that opener is sitting on the weak hand type. The most important hand type to check is the "cooperative" penalty double hand that starts with a direct seat double. (This hand type shows sufficient values for a penalty double but lacks the trump stack that one would normally like). As Ben noted, this could backfire if the opponents have a Diamond fit. Partner will need a good runout scheme if he is weak with short Diamonds.

LEt me give you a recent real world hand...you hold...

Scoring: IMP

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Ok, you think, ben is going to have you open 3♣ and you find some magic grand slam based. But no. Your partner passes, and the next hand (non-vul), opens 3♦ in front of you, ALERT, MisIry.

Tell me how you are going to bid this hand. This is a vugraph hand, by the way.

Ben

[Chamaco]

inquiry, on Apr 8 2005, 02:54 PM, said:

Tell me how you are going to bid this hand. This is a vugraph hand, by the way.

Ben

Pass 1st round, then 4NT: 4NT shows a 2 suiter with hearts (a 2 suiter without hearts wd have "cuebid" 3H).

[hrothgar]

inquiry, on Apr 8 2005, 05:54 PM, said:

Let me give you a recent real world hand...you hold...

<!-- ONEHAND begin --><table border='1'> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td> Dealer: </td> <td> North </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Vul: </td> <td> N/S </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Scoring: </td> <td> IMP </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table> <tr> <th> <span class='spades'> ♠ </span> </th> <td>  </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='hearts'> ♥ </span> </th> <td> AKT764 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='diamonds'> ♦ </span> </th> <td> 43 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='clubs'> ♣ </span> </th> <td> AKQJ6 </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td>  </td> </tr> </table><!-- ONEHAND end -->

Ok, you think, ben is going to have you open 3♣ and you find some magic grand slam based. But no. Your partner passes, and the next hand (non-vul), opens 3♦ in front of you, ALERT, MisIry.

Tell me how you are going to bid this hand. This is a vugraph hand, by the way.

Ben

I'll start by passing...

My hand strongly suggests that the opponents have a two suited hand pattern with Spades and Diamonds. However, if someone if opening a heart suit, I want to be able to smack them with a penalty double.

When the auction comes back to me in round, I plan to double any Heart contract for penalties. If the opponents show a pointy 2 suiter, I'll bid NT as takeout.

As I noted earlier, I don't tend to worry about freak hands. The don't occur often enough to matter... I'm not saying that its impossible to find real world examples, but they're gonna be rare...

If these bids actually occur with any real frequency, it would probably make sense to use bids from 4NT on up to show them directly. You bid is anchored in Diamonds, so there is no need to show them directly. You also can't hold ♦ + ♥, and I can't hold Clubs + Spades, which very much limits the set of hands that I need to show...

5♥ = Both majors, "bad hand"
5♦ = Both majors, "good hand"
5♣ = Clubs and Hearts, "bad hand"
4NT = Clubs and Hearts, "good hand"

[inquiry]

Olrud Easter Swiss Teams, Board 79.. Full hand was...

Scoring: IMP

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Both sides reached five hearts, making for +650. There are 8 tricks in five spades (six spades and 2D), and if it wasn't for the 5-0 spade split there would be two more tricks in spades. If you pass, you clue EW into the picture. The bidding would be...

3D-P-3H-P
3S-4N-P-5H
P-P-5S

Now it turns out, that you have "rightsided the hand for a potential slam. But on the downside, your last club is never good, so if you ruff both diamonds in dummy, you lose 1C and 1H, unless you run win heart Queen first and then run clubs, playing to ruff 1C and 2D in dummy. But the point being, when they bid 5S here, south will double, and that will be the final contract, as looking at no heart queen, no diamond stopper, north will have to pass.

Anyway, this is just the latest example hand (only one from this event) that would be a 3 opener. There were two missing seesions, so this was one out of 80 hands, if anyone is still keeping count.

Ben

[awm]

It seems like these inferences will be available anyway. Suppose the auction goes something like:

Pass - 3♦ - 4♥...

Let us suppose for the moment that we have the very lucky agreement that 4♥ shows a strong two-suiter with hearts and clubs. It seems that the opponent in fourth seat, looking at three card hearts, can infer that his partner does not have a weak three bid in hearts. There are simply not enough hearts in the deck for that. It seems almost guaranteed that opener has the strong two suiter in the OTHER two suits (♠ and ♦) based simply on fourth-hand opponents cards and the 4♥ bid. So any action that might be taken (in terms of sacrificing, etc) can be taken anyway. I don't think passing first really costs anything.

I'm also not convinced that 5♠ will be bid in the auction you give. These strong two-suited openings can have a pretty wide range of defensive tricks. Holding only TWO card support for spades, there is no particular reason to believe that 5♥ is making, or that 5♠ will be a productive sacrifice.

[inquiry]

awm, on Apr 8 2005, 01:44 PM, said:

It seems like these inferences will be available anyway. Suppose the auction goes something like:

Pass - 3♦ - 4♥...

Let us suppose for the moment that we have the very lucky agreement that 4♥ shows a strong two-suiter with hearts and clubs. It seems that the opponent in fourth seat, looking at three card hearts, can infer that his partner does not have a weak three bid in hearts. There are simply not enough hearts in the deck for that. It seems almost guaranteed that opener has the strong two suiter in the OTHER two suits (♠ and ♦) based simply on fourth-hand opponents cards and the 4♥ bid. So any action that might be taken (in terms of sacrificing, etc) can be taken anyway. I don't think passing first really costs anything.

I'm also not convinced that 5♠ will be bid in the auction you give. These strong two-suited openings can have a pretty wide range of defensive tricks. Holding only TWO card support for spades, there is no particular reason to believe that 5♥ is making, or that 5♠ will be a productive sacrifice.

Well here is a bid taken away from the defenders then....

If I open a natural 3D, then 4D is a strong cue-bid not wanting to risk a pass.. how do you handle this? hmm... .

[hrothgar]

inquiry, on Apr 8 2005, 10:11 PM, said:

Well here is a bid taken away from the defenders then....

If I open a natural 3D, then 4D is a strong cue-bid not wanting to risk a pass.. how do you handle this? hmm... .

Once again, I can safely ignore the strong hand types...

If you open 3♣ showing Diamonds, I simple cuebid 3♦ to show a pure takeout double...

[inquiry]

hrothgar, on Apr 8 2005, 03:51 PM, said:

inquiry, on Apr 8 2005, 10:11 PM, said:

Well here is a bid taken away from the defenders then....

If I open a natural 3D, then 4D is a strong cue-bid not wanting to risk a pass.. how do you handle this? hmm... .

Once again, I can safely ignore the strong hand types...

If you open 3♣ showing Diamonds, I simple cuebid 3♦ to show a pure takeout double...

Then you are worse off than tables where I open 3D and you can double for takeout because one weapon is gone from your bag. And, ask yourself this, if this cue-bid is takeout, and jump to 4 in my transfer suit is whatever others have said, how do you show the monster hand short in my suit that use to be shown by a four level cue-bid to prevent parnter from passing..

I only ask because all these extra options seem to come with some charges of their own....

Ben

[hrothgar]

inquiry, on Apr 8 2005, 11:46 PM, said:

Then you are worse off than tables where I open 3D and you can double for takeout because one weapon is gone from your bag. And, ask yourself this, if this cue-bid is takeout, and jump to 4 in my transfer suit is whatever others have said, how do you show the monster hand short in my suit that use to be shown by a four level cue-bid to prevent parnter from passing..

I only ask because all these extra options seem to come with some charges of their own....

Ben

Ben, you're more than welcome to nitpick any specific scheme... And you know what, if you try hard enough, you can certainly find a hand that some other method might handle better. This really shouldn't be any real surprise. There are pluses and minuses to any approach. However, the issue at hand is whether the method has zero flaws, but rather, whether over the long run, the structure performs better or worse than alternative options.

I claim that if you open 3♦ to show a 3 level preempt in hearts (plus XYZ strong options) you provide me with more bidding room than you do if you open 3♥ to show a weak 3 level preempt in Hearts. In turn, I can use that bidding room to craft a superior defense.

The specifics of that defense are left as an exercise to the reader... I laid out a rough scheme that I think would perform reasonabley well. I don't claim its perfect. (I do claim that it strikes me as MUCH stronger than the defense that you proppsed)

[cherdano]

hrothgar, on Apr 8 2005, 03:44 PM, said:

As I noted earlier... I suggest almost ignoring the possibility that opener has the strong hand type. Assume that opener has the weak hand type an focus on ensuring that you have a good constructive structure as well as lots of options for penalty doubles.

I am not sure I agree with this:

• If opener has the weak hand, the auction will come back to me almost at the same level
  
• The strong 2 suiters are not that rare.
  
• Since their strength is more based on distribution rather than power (I understand there are many 16 hcp hands that would qualify), it could even still be our hand.

Arend

[awm]

I think Ben may have missed the point of my reply.

Ben previously proposed that over 3♦ (weak hearts or strong 2-suiter w/o hearts) there should be a way to bid hearts naturally. He gave an example hand where the person in direct seat holds a good hand with hearts and clubs. Ron replied that he would pass first and bid later over opener's second call, to which Ben gave an example hand and indicated this would cause a problem.

My point was, the supposed "problem" (opening side may now compete/sacrifice in spades over the eventual heart contract) will happen anyway. Even if we have some perfect bid in direct seat that EXACTLY shows our hand (say 4♥ showing hearts and clubs and a good hand) the opening side still can infer the nature of opener's hand (he can't have hearts, there aren't enough in the deck, thus he must have a strong two suiter, and between the 4♥ bid and responder's hand, it can be inferred that he holds the pointed suits). So the same competition/sacrificing will still occur.

The upshot is, having this bid to show EXACTLY our hand didn't really help -- we are still not really better off than we would have been by passing at first chance. So there's not much point to 4♥ showing hearts and clubs. Instead we can use this bid as we would over a 3♥ preempt (I prefer it to show a ♠ and a minor with a strong hand in this auction). Basically what we have lost is the ability to bid hearts below the four level (we can pass and bid 4♥ over opener's presumed correction). But in exchange we gain a wide variety of methods for penalizing opponents and/or asking for stoppers -- basically we get huge wins over the weak hand. As another point, with the hand given we can pass 3♦ and then double opener's rebid -- seems like this should almost surely show the other two suits?

[whereagles]

Ben, how come I never have the kind of hands you show, e.g. 3 loser 55ers?

[inquiry]

whereagles, on Apr 8 2005, 10:00 PM, said:

Ben, how come I never have the kind of hands you show, e.g. 3 loser 55ers?

I am talking about 4 losers or less, not 3 losers exactlyl. I guess because you have selected memory... here are just three of a group i found where you were at the table...

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C:\BRBR\whereagles.04.IMP-882.1.txt
Produced by BRidgeBRowser on 4/8/2005
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IMP-882    RCAG        Dlr: North
Board 1    S          Vul: None
              H AKJT75   
rezak      D K9        O Borg     
S T632    C AQ754    S KJ98     
H 92                          H Q4       
D AQT62    whereagles  D J8753   
C J9        S AQ754    C 62       
              H 863     
              D 4       
            C KT83     

East    South    West    North   
rezak    RCAG    O Borg  whereagles
                                    2S!     
Pass    3D!      Pass        4H     
Pass    6H      Pass      Pass   
Pass   

1. weak 5+ cards
2. herats...

Opening lead: DA    Result: Down 1
Score: -50         

1  East  DA,  9,  5,  4
2  East  C9,  4,  2,  T
3  North  H3,  2,  A,  4
4  South  DK,  3, H6, D2
5  North  H8,  9,  T,  Q

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  # Contr  Ld  Decl    Tr  Score  Pts
=======================================
  1 6HX  S D3  fiemme2  12  1210  10.14         
  2 6H    S S9  helri    13  1010  7.43         
  3 6H    S C2  melofan  13  1010  7.43         
  4 6H    S C6  baycal  13  1010  7.43         
  5 6H    S HQ  sadik34  13  1010  7.43         
  6 6H    S D3  ozcan53  12  980  6.93         
  7 6H    S D3  halaw    12  980  6.93         
  8 6H    S D7  moxie_99 12  980  6.93         
  9 6H    S D5  bleu    12  980  6.93         
10 6H    S DJ  iloo    12  980  6.93         
11 6H    S D3  linus_  12  980  6.93         
12 6H    S D5  hhirsche 12  980  6.93         
13 6H    S D3  howi1111 12  980  6.93         
14 6H    S D5  1950Roman12  980  6.93         
15 6H    S D5  yilyu    12  980  6.93         
16 6H    S D3  farecik  12  980  6.93         
17 6H    S D8  kural34  12  980  6.93         
18 6H    S D7  ioana    12  980  6.93         
19 6H    S D3  MBA5    12  980  6.93         
20 6H    S D3  jeno    12  980  6.93         
21 6H    S S8  JaniceA4 12  980  6.93         
22 6H    S D3  ismaeel  12  980  6.93         
23 6H    S D3  coretje  12  980  6.93         
24 6H    S D5  abel42  12  980  6.93         
25 6H    S D8  cetin48  12  980  6.93         
26 6H    S D3  kriener  12  980  6.93         
27 6H    S D7  dayka    12  980  6.93         
28 6H    S D3  mdayanikl12  980  6.93         
29 6C    S C6  veronel  13  940  6.14         
30 6C    S C6  proff    13  940  6.14         
31 6C    S S9  scudo    13  940  6.14         
32 6C    S D3  kuzumahmu12  920  5.64         
33 6C    S D8  nikita4  12  920  5.64         
34 6C    N H9  berrakk  12  920  5.64         
35 6C    S D5  Halil01  12  920  5.64         
36 6C    S SJ  kofana  12  920  5.64         
37 4H    S C6  borisb  13  510  -2.22         
38 4H    S C6  fatihakca13  510  -2.22         
39 4H    S SJ  gechev  13  510  -2.22         
40 4H    S SK  martens  13  510  -2.22         
41 4H    S C6  madil33  13  510  -2.22         
42 4H    S C6  powell44i13  510  -2.22         
43 4H    S S8  gypsyquee13  510  -2.22         
44 4H    S D5  oray    12  480  -3.02         
45 4H    S D5  kikitata 12  480  -3.02         
46 4H    S D3  brg23    12  480  -3.02         
47 4H    S C6  tedouble 12  480  -3.02         
48 4H    S D5  Asig5    12  480  -3.02         
49 4H    S D5  gwarwick 12  480  -3.02         
50 4H    S D3  audither 12  480  -3.02         
51 4H    S D3  niuentri 12  480  -3.02         
52 4H    S D3  anablum  12  480  -3.02         
53 4H    S D5  ibinwid  12  480  -3.02         
54 4H    S D3  LCJ      12  480  -3.02         
55 4H    S D8  ADYS    12  480  -3.02         
56 4H    S D3  ilkdefa1 12  480  -3.02         
57 4H    S D5  7bezatu  12  480  -3.02         
58 4H    S C6  ivaringe 12  480  -3.02         
59 4H    S D5  ylamylam 12  480  -3.02         
60 5H    S D3  cetsa    12  480  -3.02         
61 5H    S D3  JozekM66 12  480  -3.02         
62 5H    S D3  arhavili 12  480  -3.02         
63 4H    S D3  zuninu  12  480  -3.02         
64 4H    S D8  milesdav 12  480  -3.02         
65 4H    S C2  GioZ    12  480  -3.02         
66 4H    S D5  Cascavel 12  480  -3.02         
67 4H    S DJ  svedi1  12  480  -3.02         
68 4H    S D8  K_Nibale 11  450  -3.49         
69 4H    S D3  Pieprz  11  450  -3.49         
70 4H    S D3  petita  11  450  -3.49         
71 4H    S D3  agunduz  11  450  -3.49         
72 4H    S D7  s2000us  11  450  -3.49         
73 4H    S D5  pirracas 11  450  -3.49         
74 4H    S D3  pzk      11  450  -3.49         
75 4H    S C6  sedos    11  450  -3.49         
76 5C    N H9  lalou    13  440  -3.64         
77 2H    S D7  NellBB  12  230  -7.26         
78 2C    S D7  satana00 12  170  -7.99         
79 7C    S DJ  kapeti08 12  -50 -10.95         
80 6C    S D5  blue_sea411  -50 -10.95         
81 7C    S D7  kikkos73 12  -50 -10.95         
82 6H    N DA  whereagle11  -50 -10.95         
83 6H    S D7  sabribill11  -50 -10.95         
84 6H    S D5  plexus  11  -50 -10.95         
85 6H    S D3  JNSTAUB  11  -50 -10.95         
86 6H    S D5  KOMIKCI  11  -50 -10.95         
87 6H    S D3  suti    11  -50 -10.95         
88 6S    N DA  bristabili8  -200 -12.37         
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This one, 4S is more than enough.

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C:\BRBR\whereagles.04.IMP-27.8.txt
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IMP-27      RCAG        Dlr: West 
Board 8    S KT743    Vul: None
              H 65       
kika          D          mery       
S 5          C AKQT52        S AQJ8     
H KJT                          H Q43     
D A876      whereagles    D QT32     
C J7643    S 962          C 98       
            H A9872   
            D KJ954   
            C         

South    West    North    East   
kika    RCAG    mery    whereagles

        1S      Pass    2H!     
Pass    3C      Pass    4S     
Pass    4NT      Pass    5C!     
Pass    5D      Dbl      5S     
Pass    Pass    Pass   

1. oops.. i bid 2H. meant to bid 3H
2. SelfAlert

Opening lead: C9    Result: Down 1
Score: -50         

1  North  C9, H2, CJ, CA
2  West  CK,  8, H7, C3
3  West  CQ, SJ, H8, C4
4  North  D2,  K,  A, S3
5  West  CT, SQ, H9, C6
6  North  DQ,  4,  6, S4
7  West  C2, D3, S2, C7
8  East  DJ,  8, H5, DT
9  East  S9,  5,  7,  A
10  North  S8,  6, HT

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C:\BRBR\whereagles.04.IMP-306.4.txt
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IMP-306    RCAG        Dlr: West 
Board 4      S AKQT5    Vul: Both
                H A2       
_kafkaf35    D KJ832    tahsin09   
S J874        C 6        S 632     
H Q984                    H 65       
D 96        whereagles  D QT7     
C QJ9      S 9            C K8754   
            H KJT73   
            D A54     
            C AT32     

East    South    West    North   
_kafkaf35RCAG    tahsin09 whereagles
53.00    65.01    55.43    70.12   
                  Pass    1H     
Pass    1S      Pass    2C     
Pass    2D      Pass    2H     
Pass    3D      Pass    3NT     
Pass    5H*      Pass    Pass   
Pass   

1. inviting..

Opening lead: CQ    Result: Made 5
Score: 650         

1  East  CQ,  6,  5,  2
2  East  CJ, H2, C4, C3
3  South  HA,  6,  3,  4
4  South  D2,  T,  A,  9
5  North  HK,  8, D3, H5
6  North  HJ,  Q, D8, S6
7  East  C9, S5, CK, CA
8  North  HT,  9, DJ, S3

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  # Contr  Ld  Decl    Tr  Score  Pts
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  1 6N    S H6  moxie_99 12  1440  12.15         
  2 6N    S H5  yvon 66  12  1440  12.15         
  3 6N    N D9  hydra    12  1440  12.15         
  4 6N    S H6  jan84    12  1440  12.15         
  5 6N    N D9  Quastor  12  1440  12.15         
  6 6D    S C8  contra  12  1370  11.30         
  7 6D    S C5  nicomedya12  1370  11.30         
  8 6D    S C5  akade    12  1370  11.30         
  9 6D    S H6  beanman  12  1370  11.30         
10 6D    S C7  felix75  12  1370  11.30         
11 6D    S H6  saylor  12  1370  11.30         
12 6D    S H6  abonini  12  1370  11.30         
13 3N    N CQ  karwasek 11  660  3.28         
14 3N    N CQ  gigi II  11  660  3.28         
15 3N    N S4  ziuta321 11  660  3.28         
16 3N    N D9  sedef    11  660  3.28         
17 4N    N CQ  xys      11  660  3.28         
18 5N    N CQ  odettenic11  660  3.28         
19 4H    N CQ  zvela69  11  650  3.26         
20 5H    N CQ  whereagle11  650  3.26         
21 3N    S C5  rob145  10  630  2.89         
22 3N    N CQ  duiuwont 10  630  2.89         
23 3N    N CQ  gotan    10  630  2.89         
24 5D    S H5  djulius  12  620  2.74         
25 3N    N CQ  jaskar4  9  600  2.47         
26 2H    N D9  Erols    12  230  -2.30         
27 2D    S D7  ykaya    12  170  -2.98         
28 2D    S H6  damya    12  170  -2.98         
29 3D    S H6  monek    12  170  -2.98         
30 4D    S C8  Freebid  12  170  -2.98         
31 Pa      C2  shawshank 0    0  3.00         
32 7D    S H6  joko2004 12  -100  -6.85         
33 6H    N CQ  Artofnois11  -100  -6.85         
34 6D    S H6  drenka  11  -100  -6.85         
35 6H    N D9  aded3    11  -100  -6.85         
36 6N    S C5  Manitou  10  -200  -8.32         
37 7N    N CQ  Hasan2  11  -200  -8.32         
38 6N    S S6  deleon  10  -200  -8.32         
39 6N    N CQ  unaltur4810  -200  -8.32         
40 6N    N S4  zal1    10  -200  -8.32         
41 6N    N S4  ssabri  10  -200  -8.32         
42 6N    S C7  buddyshah10  -200  -8.32         
43 6N    N CQ  yasmin  10  -200  -8.32         
44 7N    N CJ  kaymaz  10  -300  -9.66         
45 6N    N CQ  NAPOCAPO  9  -300  -9.66         
46 6N    N S4  engin_20019  -300  -9.66         
47 6N    N CQ  johannab  7  -500 -11.94         
48 7N    N CQ  hidayet  7  -600 -12.94         
49 7NX  S C4  goli1967  8 -1400 -17.87         
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[whereagles]

Well, you just proven my point. *I* never have them. It is pard who gets them By the way, there's something about those hands I private-messaged you about.