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#1 User is offline   Jinksy 

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Posted 2015-October-10, 17:35

Given RHO opens 1m, and you hold 54(nn), with a decent 11 count and both majors playable, is expert standard to bid 1M, or X? Or does it depend on your other minor holding/the major you hold/other stuff?
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Posted 2015-October-10, 18:27

View PostJinksy, on 2015-October-10, 17:35, said:

Given RHO opens 1m, and you hold 54(nn), with a decent 11 count and both majors playable, is expert standard to bid 1M, or X? Or does it depend on your other minor holding/the major you hold/other stuff?


My tendency is to bid 1 if that's my five-card suit. With 4-5, it depends on suit quality and minor suit shape.
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Posted 2015-October-10, 20:36

minors really irrelevant unless your 5 really bad and have 3+ of other minor then X becomes a possibility,
1 is common as leaves you with rebid.
With 5 double more likely as you have no rebid but still 1 preferred, rebids aren't as important for overcalls as openings.
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Posted 2015-October-10, 22:46

I've noticed that (at least among the experts in Australia/Asia) older players lean towards doubling more often, while younger players lean towards bidding.

Obviously there are a lot of influencing factors, such as support for the other minor, suit quality, vulnerability etc etc.
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Posted 2015-October-11, 02:38

I would normally bid 1S unless I had 5 bad spades and 3 of the other minor. For hearts I'd be prepared to X on 22 minors. My bidding is a long way from expert standard though :-)

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Posted 2015-October-13, 03:10

Bidding the 5 carder is certainly the norm.
You have the cue available to show both and a 54 shape,
if you cannot decide.

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Posted 2015-October-13, 03:31

Double with (54)(31) if the singleton is RHO's suit and the five card suit is not great. Especially if my suit is hearts.

In some partnerships it is systemic to make a cuebid with 5-4. I think this is a good agreement against a potentially short 1.
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Posted 2015-October-13, 09:50

I generally much prefer to overcall unless the suit is bad, in which case I am happy to treat it as only having 4 cards. Not sure if I would qualify as young under Wesley's definition though...
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Posted 2015-October-13, 10:23

My "Expert standard" is that you can do either, overcall or double, and it depends on a few factors.

Some of the deciding factors are (in no particular order):
  • The relative strength of the five card suit (strong -> overcall; weak -> double)
  • The distribution in the minors (long in opponents' minor -> overcall; short -> double)
  • The overall strength of the hand (strong: close to double and bid suit -> double; weak -> overcall)
  • Lead directing value (if you want to direct a lead in the five card suit-> overcall; if you don't -> double)

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