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Yet Another Pre-Empt From Opps

#1 User is offline   eagles123 

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Posted 2014-December-25, 17:33



many thanks

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Posted 2014-December-25, 18:12

What is the question? Partner is on lead, not you.
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Posted 2014-December-25, 18:47

If only someone had a database of almost every time this auction had occurred in top-level bridge.

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Posted 2014-December-25, 18:53

Would you then pull to 5♣ if 4♠ was doubled?
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Posted 2014-December-25, 18:56

View PostJinksy, on 2014-December-25, 18:53, said:

Would you then pull to 5♣ if 4♠ was doubled?


Yes - that is the strategy.

The rule is to never leave your offensive potential unexplored in this type of auction, but after that, it is gloves off. It's entirely possible we go for 1100 against a non-making game, but I believe bidding is a winning strategy. This is not entirely drawn from instances of this exact situation, but many where the same principles apply (though the stats do not represent a slam dunk, by any means).
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Posted 2014-December-25, 23:13

4!♠. Obviously I may go for my life but the IMP scale requires this type of aggression.
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Posted 2014-December-25, 23:31

View PostJinksy, on 2014-December-25, 18:53, said:

Would you then pull to 5♣ if 4♠ was doubled?


If they quick double then pass if they tank double then run LDO
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Posted 2014-December-26, 00:10

View Posteagles123, on 2014-December-25, 17:33, said:



many thanks

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You have 8 HCP! Your partner passed at the two level! 4S or 5C could be down 2000 points, NV.

If it takes you more than two seconds to pass this, you need to stand in front of a mirror and say "PASS" one hundred times before every game.
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Posted 2014-December-26, 02:18

View Postmasonbarge, on 2014-December-26, 00:10, said:

You have 8 HCP! Your partner passed at the two level! 4S or 5C could be down 2000 points, NV.

If it takes you more than two seconds to pass this, you need to stand in front of a mirror and say "PASS" one hundred times before every game.


Just curious, but how many points do you need for 4♠ or 5♣ to be the favorite to make?
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Posted 2014-December-26, 02:22

I agree with Phil and Phil. Complete the transfer and bid 4♠
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Posted 2014-December-26, 03:23

make that triple phil

I know of no better way to handle this hand. A direct 4NT also gets the suit right, but it misses on the chance to play 4S.
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Posted 2014-December-26, 04:04

View Postmasonbarge, on 2014-December-26, 00:10, said:

You have 8 HCP! Your partner passed at the two level! 4S or 5C could be down 2000 points, NV.

If it takes you more than two seconds to pass this, you need to stand in front of a mirror and say "PASS" one hundred times before every game.


Points don't make contracts - distribution does.

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Posted 2014-December-26, 04:32

Partner figures to have four cards in hearts, but failed to bid 2NT, so probably has a maximum of 14 points, most likely less, maybe much less. If he is short in hearts then he will be even weaker as he failed to double. Of course bidding could be the winning move but I reckon the percentage action is to pass.
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Posted 2014-December-26, 04:45

View Postwhereagles, on 2014-December-26, 03:23, said:

I know of no better way to handle this hand. A direct 4NT also gets the suit right, but it misses on the chance to play 4S.


Actually 4 N is tricky. P is going to assume minors at first, So 5♣ means better ♣ than ♦ so you must pass when 5♠ may well be best

I am a passer. If I was in North seat I would be bidding 4♠ on a wide variety of hands, What has West got? He failed to double or bid 2N or bid a suit. He could easily have 5♥ and up to 10 HCP and North has found an aggressive raise with 2 cards and 16 hcp and walked into a 5-0 break that puts it down.
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Posted 2014-December-26, 05:46

View PostGrahamJson, on 2014-December-26, 04:32, said:

Partner figures to have four cards in hearts


why are you guessing? you did see it was the opps who have been bidding hearts, yes?
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Posted 2014-December-26, 05:52

Of course I don't know that partner has four hearts, but I think it is quite likely. He always does whenever I bid 4S on this sort of hand.
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Posted 2014-December-26, 05:53

I am a bidder. 4♠,
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Posted 2014-December-26, 06:28

View Postmasonbarge, on 2014-December-26, 00:10, said:

You have 8 HCP! Your partner passed at the two level! 4S or 5C could be down 2000 points, NV.

If it takes you more than two seconds to pass this, you need to stand in front of a mirror and say "PASS" one hundred times before every game.


BINGO!! Although I agree with the comment that distribution matters as well. Is not the question still pds pass? If I was playing in a pick up game and had a pd who passed this with 13-15 point count and 4 spades. they would go on the blacklist.
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Posted 2014-December-26, 07:30

View Postmasonbarge, on 2014-December-26, 00:10, said:

You have 8 HCP! Your partner passed at the two level! 4S or 5C could be down 2000 points, NV.

If it takes you more than two seconds to pass this, you need to stand in front of a mirror and say "PASS" one hundred times before every game.


Say 100 times: "it's a bidder's game"
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Posted 2014-December-26, 07:55

View Postfourdad, on 2014-December-26, 06:28, said:

BINGO!! Although I agree with the comment that distribution matters as well. Is not the question still pds pass? If I was playing in a pick up game and had a pd who passed this with 13-15 point count and 4 spades. they would go on the blacklist.

So you would bid something over 2♥ in direct seat with:
♠ KJ84
♥ J752
♦ AJ5
♣K6
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And what would that be?

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