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#1 User is offline   Walddk 

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Posted 2005-March-19, 01:22

Scoring: Rubber

South: 5D
Lead: SQ



You have arrived in 5 after West has shown both black suits (doesn't really matter, since this is a double dummy problem). What matters though is if the contract can be made on best defence.

West leads Q.

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Posted 2005-March-19, 06:14

What about this way:
1. Q K 2 4
2. A 3 6 6
3. 9 5 4 7
4. 5 Q K 2
5. A 6 2 K
6. 3 J 4 8
7. if a comes back: win in dummy and play K, exit with a ,
if a is played declarer scores the 9. Even if W waits and takes the 3. trick and plays a trump declarer loses only 2 tricks, a and a .

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Posted 2005-March-19, 06:50

Not good enough Caren. Try again.

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Posted 2005-March-19, 08:42

Walddk, on Mar 19 2005, 01:22 AM, said:

Scoring: Rubber

South: 5D
Lead: SQ

take A, play K,J, then K and ruff a ... A, A and exit a , leaving

Scoring: Rubber

South: 5D
Lead: SQ

if he leads a honor, duck... you have 4 of the last 5
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Posted 2005-March-19, 09:06

1/. Qs As 2s 4s
2/. Ks 3s 6c 6s
3/. Kd 2d 4d qd
4/. Jd 3d 5d 5c
5/. 2c Jc ac 7c
6/. 2h kh Ah 7h
7/. kc depends if they play a D but I think you can lose 2 hearts and make that way
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Posted 2005-March-19, 09:11

say he trumps the K... now what?
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Posted 2005-March-19, 09:24

ok not so easy as it looks :D, I will try again
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Posted 2005-March-19, 09:30

sceptic, on Mar 19 2005, 10:06 AM, said:

1/. Qs As 2s 4s
2/. Ks 3s 6c 6s
3/. Kd 2d 4d qd
4/. Jd 3d 5d 5c
5/. 2c Jc ac 7c
6/. 2h kh Ah 7h
7/. kc depends if they play a D but I think you can lose 2 hearts and make that way

I think this must be almost right. Seems that you need to leave some entries in dummy when you play the K. So take the ace of clubs at trick three, then cross to the king of diamonds and lead the K now, while the A and J are still in dummy. If East ruffs the K, you aim to draw trumps and force a heart trick by leading through East. If East doesn't ruff you need a trump reduction, and it seems there are enough entries left.

Edit: Actually, it seems you only need one more entry at that stage - the one that lets you lead hearts through East. So let's try this: win A, K pitching a club, A, K, J, and now lead K. If East ruffs, then draw trumps, cross to A and lead a small heart from dummy. If East lets the K hold, then pitch a heart, ruff a club, cross to A and ruff another club, then exit with a heart in order to make your two last trumps.
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Posted 2005-March-19, 11:30

this is really a maddening hand.....

I'll keep working on it. I DO know that pitching the A on the A is right though. :lol:
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Posted 2005-March-19, 12:24

A spade, A club, K diamond, K spade discarding the club, now K club, if east ruff, i overruff, take out the diamonds (J ruff and another) and play A heart and another heart, taking 6 diamonds, 1 club 2 hearts and 2 spades =11 tricks. If east doesnt ruff i am going to end play him in trump , ruffing 1 spade and 2 clubs, and then playing the heart to him.
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Posted 2005-March-19, 13:38

"I'll keep working on it. I DO know that pitching the A♣ on the A♠ is right though"

i dotn think it's an obligation but play is much more fun if u do that i agree :lol: nice hand thougth

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Posted 2005-March-20, 05:41

how about

As wins
Ks next discard AC
Kd see Q drop
9s trump in hand
low to AH see K drop
play 10 H lose to J or Q

if LHO leads clubwin the K and play 3H and that makes ur 9H good when LHO wins with the Qor JH, you can get back to hand with small D to J and play clubs tp win 11 tricks
if LHO leads low heart it is made if LHO leads high heart safe if LHO leads D that is safe as you can take both D tricks and back to dummy with KC and play 3 H forcing your 9 to be the winner
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Posted 2005-March-20, 06:33

sceptic, on Mar 20 2005, 06:41 AM, said:

how about

As wins
Ks next discard AC
Kd see Q drop
9s trump in hand
low to AH see K drop
play 10 H lose to J or Q

if LHO leads clubwin the K and play 3H and that makes ur 9H good when LHO wins with the Qor JH, you can get back to hand with small D to J and play clubs tp win 11 tricks
if LHO leads low heart it is made if LHO leads high heart safe if LHO leads D that is safe as you can take both D tricks and back to dummy with KC and play 3 H forcing your 9 to be the winner

Playing it this way, you are stuck in hand after winning the 9 (East will remove an entry from dummy whenever he gets in with a high heart.)

It seems the point of this hand is that you can either set up a heart trick or reduce your trump length, but you don't have time to do both. So you need to force East to decide which of these things he is going to defend against, which you can do by playing a winning club through him, threatening to overruff. Pitching the A looks good, but it doesn't seem that you can survive it.
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Posted 2005-March-20, 06:41

I haven't seen the correct solution yet. Keep trying guys! :rolleyes:

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Posted 2005-March-20, 07:10

This involves what I think is called a Trump Coup.
The declarer must get rid of excess trumps to reach parity with East.

1) Win the Ace.
2) Spade K, discarding the 6 from hand.
3) ruff the third .
4) Cash the A.
5) lead a low to the K
6) ruff a
7) lead a low to the J
8) ruff a
We now have A9 of trumps sitting over Easts 10 8.
East has taken 2 heart discards, and is down to QJ8.
9) Cash the Ace of hearts, putting us in Dummy.

East has:
QJ
T 8

Declarer holds
9 5
A 9

10) Play the King, discarding a heart.

East can ruff, and we can overruff, draw trumps, and give up 2 hearts, claiming.
Or East can duck and discard a heart, resulting in:

East has:
Q
T 8

Declarer holds
9
A 9

Then throw in East with a heart and claim with an eventually over ruff, and trump pull.
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Posted 2005-March-20, 08:25

1. A of spades
2. K of spades. pitching a low club
3 Ruff a spade.
4. A of clubs
5. Cross to K of diamonds
6. Low club, RHO pitches a heart, we ruff
7. Diamond to Jack
8. K of clubs - RHO is must ruff else end up endplayed - we overuff
9. Draw the last trump, pitching a club from dummy
10. Cross to Ace of hearts
11. Lead 10 of hearts, endplaying RHO to lead from J8 into our 95

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Posted 2005-March-20, 08:32

Nice hand, Roland. Elements of a 1-suited squeeze combined with a trump coup.

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Posted 2005-March-20, 08:50

i didnt have time to see if someone find the good solution but let's have fun in my answer :rolleyes: if u notice something u already read ... it's pure coincidence ... of course (thanks Victor Mollo for making me so happy reading u ...)

the robber was completely unfair as the hideous hog was playing with papa the greek , against the rabbit and karapet the armenian ... still there was some kibbitz thougth u coudnt expect to see a close robber ... and the beginning was that so , karapet got squeeze 2 times in a row and led a wrong ace against a slam . hopefully the rabbit find ways to play 2 partial in 2S and 2H was cold for game but he still was happy to do his contract just made so the robber was closer after all .
after a couple of more deals here come this hand

the rabbit was holding

4
9542
A97654
A6

the auction bring the table to a 5D contract the more karapet was bidding his hand the more he was depressed knowing the rabbit hardly find ways to 11 tricks

in any case the lead by the hog was Q of S and the dummy comes as show

AK9
A103
KJ
K8432

the rabbit after having some look at the dummy suddenly realize he didnt know where he put the key of his house and was really thinking about it while he was calling A and then K of S , he had nothing to throw but still .. on his K of S he throw the 6 of C when suddenly some Kibbitz react ... the rabbit looks at what he played and he sees the Ace of C instead of the 6 ... the hog that we didnt hear for now quite some time (it was unusual... ) was surprisingly kind to the rabbit giving him permission to took back his card "dear friend i would never take advantages of something like that pls do what u want" , on the other side , papa of course was completely unhappy , he knew the rules and knew the card is played , everyone quite agree on that and the rabbit thougth he wasnt a good player would certainly not accept that offer as he also know the rules . after that the play should continue and the the rabbit decided he should try to ruff as many things as possible so at trick 3 he decided to ruff a S go back in hand with the K of C (thougth the rabbit was not genious he was quite happy enough to note he hopefully dont discard the 6 of C at that point) , ruff a C (as papa first hesitate on what to do and decide to play small H) go back in dummy again with a D to the K when he notice the Q, ruff another C (papa took some time again to throw a H) and play a H , at that time someone come to him with the key of his house he thougth he lost a while ago he was so relieved and was kinda forgeting the play so call a small H , papa playing low immediately . "are u sure u're playing low my DEAR friend rabbit u already pay enough with ur previous mistake , maybe it's enough ..." hog said . but the rabbit was just too much happy the key was back and didnt mind much the play , while papa was looking at the hog with an angry face , in any case it was played the rules said...in hand now whatever black card the hog migth play now , the rabbit already got 7 tricks ,and the ace of H and 3 more trumps will just work enough to reach 11 ...

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PS : english not good enough to have more fun , hope it's readable thougth , i repeat , it's a nice hand , i dotn think throwing the Ace of C was an obligation thougth u can find other way i believe
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Posted 2005-March-20, 10:51

Sadly, I think the rabbit has a heart mixed in with his diamonds here. If the play went as described he's only got two trumps left at the end, not three, so he's only making ten tricks.

Roland, it may not be what you had in mind, but there is nothing wrong with Flame's solution, is there?
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Posted 2005-March-20, 10:54

pretty sure the rabbit will score 3 trumps tricks at the end and the ace of H , rabbit got 2 more trump in hand and 1 more in dummy and hog cant really play other than a black colour thougth he is doing some magical stuff sometimes...

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PS : solution given by winston is correct , havent got time to read one of flame ...
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