[geofspa]

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scoring IMPS
N/S white
E/W red

As dealer sitting south and holding this hand what might be opened, I will post partners hand later and ask what might be bid after some responses to this.

[EricK]

I simply bid 4♠. We might miss a slam. We might prevent opps from finding their slam.

Eric

[sceptic]

4 spades

[Walddk]

4♠ seems about right. I don't like to pre-empt with a void, but I don't like any alternative either. A 5 loser hand according to my method, so perhaps one trick too many for my pre-empt.

I would also have opened 4♠ vulnerable. I have Namyats (4♦) available on my cc, but this hand doesn't qualify for it. My requirements are at least 2 of 5 aces and control in at least two side suits. Nothing fits in with my hand.

Roland

[sceptic]

just my opinion for what it is worth, and you know better than most how bad that can be Geof, unless you have a power house or a very nice dist and fit hand, I would not bid over this as I think the amount of times you would miss a slam as opposed to disrupting opponents bidding it is not worth the risk, you may have a hand you consider good, but it may have to be good for 3 quick tricks just to make the game

[Gerben42]

Too much for me for 4♠ at favorable. If it was none vuln it's okay. I will just bid 1♠.

[luis]

4♠ I'm 100% sure that if someone suggests something else he would bid 4♠ at the table if faced with this hand :-)

[keylime]

I like 4S. It feels right and gets the message across. Opening 1S might be a lie pard can't live with.

[Gerben42]

Sorry Luis but I really mean my response to this thread, even at the table and even if you don't believe me.

[luis]

Gerben42, on Mar 16 2005, 08:22 PM, said:

Sorry Luis but I really mean my response to this thread, even at the table and even if you don't believe me.

I respect that Gerben but I don't believe you :-)

[Walddk]

Gerben42, on Mar 16 2005, 03:22 PM, said:

Sorry Luis but I really mean my response to this thread, even at the table and even if you don't believe me.

The problem with 1♠ Gerben is that you will feel very uncomfortable about sitting for a double of a diamond contract at any level. I understand that you will bid spades a few times, but your hand, on defence, will be a major disappointment for partner.

At least you don't promise anything on defence when you open 4♠. Then you will feel ok if partner doubles 5♦.

Roland

[han]

I think that at favorable vulnerability, preempts don't become necessarily weaker, but rather wide ranging. You would like to preempt as often as possible at green, while at red you'd want to make your preempts as descriptive as possible.

Clear 4S bid for me.

[pclayton]

This Fits within my NAMYATS criteria. So its 3N (either major).

[the hog]

4S. Wtp?

[TimG]

The_Hog, on Mar 16 2005, 10:28 PM, said:

4S. Wtp?

Undoubtedly, 4♠ didn't work out so well at the table.

[geofspa]

Ok so the consesus is 4♠ I can live with that.

What if anything should partner do holding this hand on hearing 4♠

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Sitting North
NS White
EW Red
Dealer South

Bidding so far

4♠p?

Please comment

[EricK]

Responder should cuebid 5♣.

Eric

[sceptic]

Pass, there is too much that can go wrong unless you have closely defined 4 level openers, but I have seen bid alsorts of hands at the 4 level opening, so I think you are chancing a good game (with that dummy) for a dodgy slam chance.

[EricK]

sceptic, on Mar 17 2005, 07:44 AM, said:

Pass, there is too much that can go wrong unless you have closely defined 4 level openers, but I have seen bid alsorts of hands at the 4 level opening, so I think you are chancing a good game (with that dummy) for a dodgy slam chance.

I think the chance of making a slam is higher than the chance of going down in 5, so a slam try is reasonable.

Of course, if your 4 level openers could be so weak that even 5♠ is unlikely to make then pass is probably in order.

But note that Axxxxxx xx xx Kx gives you a good slam, and Qxxxxxx x xxx Kx will probably allow you to make 5♠

Eric