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No opposing bidding. You open 1D and partner responds 1S. What is your rebid? Does the form of scoring influence your decision?
What call do you make? When is a raise right.
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Posted 2005-March-15, 14:17
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Posted 2005-March-15, 14:45
It may slightly depend on partnership agreements, but with most of my partners, 2s is almost automatic.
We still have ways of reaching 2nt or 3nt if partner has a heart stopper (he can bid NT, or bid 2 of a minor if he needs me to have a stopper there). Also, when partner has 6-9 points and 5 spades, 2s will usually be at least a trick better than NT. Also, sometimes the 4-3 major fit is the best place, especially when the short hand (mine) also has some suit to trump (hearts).
No, the form of scoring does not affect my decision.
We still have ways of reaching 2nt or 3nt if partner has a heart stopper (he can bid NT, or bid 2 of a minor if he needs me to have a stopper there). Also, when partner has 6-9 points and 5 spades, 2s will usually be at least a trick better than NT. Also, sometimes the 4-3 major fit is the best place, especially when the short hand (mine) also has some suit to trump (hearts).
No, the form of scoring does not affect my decision.
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Posted 2005-March-15, 14:48
2♠
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Posted 2005-March-15, 14:53
Since 1♠ would show 4 cards by agreement, I have no raise yet.
So my rebid is eather 1NT or 2♦. At MP I will decide to bid 1NT more often, while at IMPs I'm more likely to bid 2♦.
So my rebid is eather 1NT or 2♦. At MP I will decide to bid 1NT more often, while at IMPs I'm more likely to bid 2♦.
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Posted 2005-March-15, 15:13
OK, there are definitely ways how to bid NT contract after 1 diam-1spade-two spades. But there are also definitely ways how to bid spade contract after 1diam-1spade-1NT(or 2 diam) with 5-3 spade fit.
I think that I simply should bid my hand. At IMPs, an automatic response is 2 diam. Still, my first bid promised 3 diamonds and, in fact, I have five(!) of them. I do not see any reason why I should mis-inform my partner.
At MPs, I would bid 1NT probably. An important fact is that no oponent bid heart suit. It looks like either no opponent has 5 or more hearts and/or the opponents are weak and 2 spades is not going to be the final contract anyway (or the hand with five hearts is weak and there is no entry to cash the suit in NT contract). With such bad trumph support like Jxx, spades may not be the best contract.
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I think that I simply should bid my hand. At IMPs, an automatic response is 2 diam. Still, my first bid promised 3 diamonds and, in fact, I have five(!) of them. I do not see any reason why I should mis-inform my partner.
At MPs, I would bid 1NT probably. An important fact is that no oponent bid heart suit. It looks like either no opponent has 5 or more hearts and/or the opponents are weak and 2 spades is not going to be the final contract anyway (or the hand with five hearts is weak and there is no entry to cash the suit in NT contract). With such bad trumph support like Jxx, spades may not be the best contract.
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Posted 2005-March-15, 15:22
1nt
Partner will play me for a hand that is often 11-13 balanced with exactly 4 or 5D.
Perhaps I should bid something else so Partner can be confused?
They have not bid or run the hearts yet.
P is allowed to bid again via XYZ.
Partner will play me for a hand that is often 11-13 balanced with exactly 4 or 5D.
Perhaps I should bid something else so Partner can be confused?
They have not bid or run the hearts yet.
P is allowed to bid again via XYZ.
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Posted 2005-March-15, 15:42
I would never bid 2♦ with this hand. If partner has a good hand, the 2♦ rebid is much more awkward than 2♠ or 1nt, and most partnerships don't have good methods following minor suit rebids (I recommend relays here, but most people don't play them). If partner has a bad hand, the diamond rebid could easily lead to playing a 5-1 fit. Better to bid spades where a seven card fit is known and an eight card fit is not unlikely, or to rebid notrump and get the balanced shape and range well described.
The remaining possibilities are 2♠ and 1nt (I guess you could bid an off-shape 2♣ but this seems likely to lose the spades entirely and might land you in a 4-3 club fit at the three level). If partner has a call over my rebid the choice isn't really going to matter (assuming reasonable methods over both the raise and the 1nt). If not, I think the odds favor 2♠ as the best partscore (agreeing with Elianna and Inquiry) but it's a fairly close decision.
The remaining possibilities are 2♠ and 1nt (I guess you could bid an off-shape 2♣ but this seems likely to lose the spades entirely and might land you in a 4-3 club fit at the three level). If partner has a call over my rebid the choice isn't really going to matter (assuming reasonable methods over both the raise and the 1nt). If not, I think the odds favor 2♠ as the best partscore (agreeing with Elianna and Inquiry) but it's a fairly close decision.
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Posted 2005-March-15, 17:20
On a scale from 1-10:
2♠: 10.
1N: 6.
2♦: 2.
Roland
2♠: 10.
1N: 6.
2♦: 2.
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Posted 2005-March-15, 18:24
i bid now what i would have opened - 1nt
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Posted 2005-March-15, 18:46
1NT for me.
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Posted 2005-March-15, 18:47
2S, always.
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Posted 2005-March-15, 19:54
2♠ for me.
If partner is weak with 5 ♠ then 2♠ is certainly better than 1NT. If he is weak with 4♠ then 2♠ is probably at least as good as 1NT. If he is stronger then we should be able to sort out exactly where to play.
Eric
If partner is weak with 5 ♠ then 2♠ is certainly better than 1NT. If he is weak with 4♠ then 2♠ is probably at least as good as 1NT. If he is stronger then we should be able to sort out exactly where to play.
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Posted 2005-March-15, 20:22
2S always of course. Seriously what else is there?
Actually I would be more critical than Roland's rating:
2S = 10
1NT = 3
2D = 0
2C = -10
Actually I would be more critical than Roland's rating:
2S = 10
1NT = 3
2D = 0
2C = -10
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Posted 2005-March-15, 21:49
Depends on your system agreements. I'd bid 2♠ or 1NT for sure, even without agreements. Imo 2♠ is overrated (or 1NT is underrated), but it's still the best option. Any other bid is 100% ridiculous!
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Posted 2005-March-15, 22:28
Free, on Mar 15 2005, 10:49 PM, said:
Depends on your system agreements. I'd bid 2♠ or 1NT for sure, even without agreements. Imo 2♠ is overrated (or 1NT is underrated), but it's still the best option. Any other bid is 100% ridiculous!
Agree.
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Posted 2005-March-16, 02:16
While I like to support on 3 cards, I prefer not to do it on a balanced hand. This one is borderline between "balanced" and "two-suited short in H". If I'm playing 3-card raises, I might try 2S. Otherwise I would just bid 1NT.
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Posted 2005-March-16, 04:52
After reading others i bet im wrong but i would bid 1nt even though my system allow me to bid 2sp with 3 card support.
I support with 3 when im unbal or when i think its better partner declear or if i have good resson to think 2sp will be much better then 1nt. Here dont mind declaring with my AQ of club, my spades are weak and diamonds are good which might mean NT would be better then spade, so i bid 1NT.
I support with 3 when im unbal or when i think its better partner declear or if i have good resson to think 2sp will be much better then 1nt. Here dont mind declaring with my AQ of club, my spades are weak and diamonds are good which might mean NT would be better then spade, so i bid 1NT.
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Posted 2005-March-16, 05:29
Flame, on Mar 16 2005, 10:52 AM, said:
After reading others i bet im wrong but i would bid 1nt even though my system allow me to bid 2sp with 3 card support.
I support with 3 when im unbal or when i think its better partner declear or if i have good resson to think 2sp will be much better then 1nt. Here dont mind declaring with my AQ of club, my spades are weak and diamonds are good which might mean NT would be better then spade, so i bid 1NT.
I support with 3 when im unbal or when i think its better partner declear or if i have good resson to think 2sp will be much better then 1nt. Here dont mind declaring with my AQ of club, my spades are weak and diamonds are good which might mean NT would be better then spade, so i bid 1NT.
The whole point of bidding is to find a fit and then decide how high we should go. Here we have fit in spades. Furthermore, when you bid a suit, you always hope to hear pd's raise. Same to pd. Let's make pd happy and raise him.
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Posted 2005-March-16, 05:38
flytoox, on Mar 16 2005, 06:29 AM, said:
Flame, on Mar 16 2005, 10:52 AM, said:
After reading others i bet im wrong but i would bid 1nt even though my system allow me to bid 2sp with 3 card support.
I support with 3 when im unbal or when i think its better partner declear or if i have good resson to think 2sp will be much better then 1nt. Here dont mind declaring with my AQ of club, my spades are weak and diamonds are good which might mean NT would be better then spade, so i bid 1NT.
I support with 3 when im unbal or when i think its better partner declear or if i have good resson to think 2sp will be much better then 1nt. Here dont mind declaring with my AQ of club, my spades are weak and diamonds are good which might mean NT would be better then spade, so i bid 1NT.
The whole point of bidding is to find a fit and then decide how high we should go. Here we have fit in spades. Furthermore, when you bid a suit, you always hope to hear pd's raise. Same to pd. Let's make pd happy and raise him.
What is a fit ? (i thought this mean 8 cards)
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Posted 2005-March-16, 07:16
Flame, on Mar 16 2005, 11:38 AM, said:
flytoox, on Mar 16 2005, 06:29 AM, said:
Flame, on Mar 16 2005, 10:52 AM, said:
After reading others i bet im wrong but i would bid 1nt even though my system allow me to bid 2sp with 3 card support.
I support with 3 when im unbal or when i think its better partner declear or if i have good resson to think 2sp will be much better then 1nt. Here dont mind declaring with my AQ of club, my spades are weak and diamonds are good which might mean NT would be better then spade, so i bid 1NT.
I support with 3 when im unbal or when i think its better partner declear or if i have good resson to think 2sp will be much better then 1nt. Here dont mind declaring with my AQ of club, my spades are weak and diamonds are good which might mean NT would be better then spade, so i bid 1NT.
The whole point of bidding is to find a fit and then decide how high we should go. Here we have fit in spades. Furthermore, when you bid a suit, you always hope to hear pd's raise. Same to pd. Let's make pd happy and raise him.
What is a fit ? (i thought this mean 8 cards)
At least we have 7.