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#1 User is offline   lycier 

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Posted 2015-February-03, 09:09



Does my sacrifice 5♣ promise 24+ hcp?
And after double,Gib N bid up to 7♣ at all hazards.
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Posted 2015-February-03, 09:24

5♣ shows a good hand. Basic principle of "don't bid the same values twice". Or in this case...don't lie about the values you didn't have the first time a second time.
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Posted 2015-February-03, 09:51

View PostTylerE, on 2015-February-03, 09:24, said:

5♣ shows a good hand. Basic principle of "don't bid the same values twice". Or in this case...don't lie about the values you didn't have the first time a second time.

North voluntarily bid 4♣; this should show some values. 5♣ doesn't show a desire to play at that level opposite nothing.
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Posted 2015-February-03, 13:15

5♣ should show a better hand than what South actually has, but it certainly shouldn't require 24+ HCP!

North has to bid more than 4♣ IMO, it's way too good for 4♣. Should bid 3♠ showing a good hand with good fit along the way to 5♣ IMO.
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Posted 2015-February-03, 17:03

The problem starts with the 4♣ bid that seems to require only 3+ clubs.
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Posted 2015-February-03, 17:39

View PostBbradley62, on 2015-February-03, 09:51, said:

North voluntarily bid 4♣; this should show some values. 5♣ doesn't show a desire to play at that level opposite nothing.

North should have bid 5♣ straight away- no aces in the majors and 5 clubs limits its level.
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Posted 2015-February-03, 21:23

View PostStephen Tu, on 2015-February-03, 13:15, said:

5♣ should show a better hand than what South actually has, but it certainly shouldn't require 24+ HCP!

North has to bid more than 4♣ IMO, it's way too good for 4♣. Should bid 3♠ showing a good hand with good fit along the way to 5♣ IMO.


I agree. Or if not that, certainly 5C. One thing the the programmers need to do immediately is stop GIB from bidding on after having been doubled for penalty. Let it redouble 5C if it is so confident.

This all said Lycier, you are not new with GIB. You should have known you can't bid 5C with this hand.
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Posted 2015-February-03, 21:38

View Postiandayre, on 2015-February-03, 21:23, said:

This all said Lycier, you are not new with GIB. You should have known you can't bid 5C2N with this hand.

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Posted 2015-February-04, 15:24

View PostBbradley62, on 2015-February-03, 21:38, said:

FYP


Well I agree, 2NT is not good, but if he had kept quiet the rest of the way, he might have gotten away with it. 5C was suicidal
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Posted 2015-February-04, 18:37

I ♥ this bidding all the around :D I think GIB would be better off if the game in hand (ie 24+ descriptions) were totally eliminated unless you open 2♣, or double, cue bid, and then bid game by yourself or something like that. It is almost always ridiculous to assume in a competitive auction that a player that bids game has 24+
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Posted 2015-February-05, 00:59

The bidding up to 5C is worthy of criticism but that does not excuse the subsequent actions.
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Posted 2015-February-05, 04:37

View Post1eyedjack, on 2015-February-05, 00:59, said:

The bidding up to 5C is worthy of criticism but that does not excuse the subsequent actions.


I agree.
I have to say that I don't care about winning or losing.
In order to find problem,I should provide its example hand.
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Posted 2015-February-06, 10:12

View PostStephen Tu, on 2015-February-03, 13:15, said:

5♣ should show a better hand than what South actually has, but it certainly shouldn't require 24+ HCP!

LHO showed a limit raise so this is obviously a sac. I think a 6th club is plenty, it doesn't show extra HCPs.
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Posted 2015-February-11, 12:16

View Posthelene_t, on 2015-February-06, 10:12, said:

LHO showed a limit raise so this is obviously a sac. I think a 6th club is plenty, it doesn't show extra HCPs.
Best I can tell, GIB will sometimes decide to sac, but will never think his partner is doing so.
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Posted 2015-February-11, 12:19


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