[luis]

First disaster:

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Bidding was:
2NT (19-21) - 3♣ (Puppet Stayman)
3♦ - 3♥ (4 spades)
3NT - 4NT
pass

Is 4NT Cuantitative for you? Yes/No and why ?

More disasters coming soon :-)

Luis

[flytoox]

yes, 4N is quantitative, but I dont understand why north bid only 4N. He has good 14hcp and pd opened 2N. I would bid 6N. I admit i would miss 7D but at least I can bid 6N.

[Free]

Yes, 4NT is quantitative imo.

[joker_gib]

Quantitative for me too but like all quantitative bids, they can be passed !

This is of course not acceptable with 14 HCP in front of 19 min !!

So if you want to look for 7, bid 5NT, partner will bid 6NT with min and bid "Baron like" with positive.

[pclayton]

Its Quantitative, yes.

There's a couple of Kleinman treatments that would help. The auction: 2N - 4♠ (Kantar / Kleinman Slam Force - to make a quantitative raise but investigate a 4-4 fit) is quantitative in essence, but Opener obviously can't pass. Why couldn't 4♠ in the subject auction be similarly quantitative as well?

Luis, check out October (I think, it might have been Sept. , '04 BW (I know you subscribe ). Kleinman had an article called "Sampling" and he discussed a treatment called Yellow Rose. Seems it would fit this hand real well.

[ochinko]

Quantitative means that if the opener is at his maximum HCP in the line should amount to 33. If South believes 4NT is quantitative, Pass is right with the minimum. The bidding sugests there was a misunderstanding. Can't apportion the blame without knowing their agreement. If there is no agreement, North should jump to 6NT to avoid the possible misunderstanding. If I was South, I'd probably pass 4NT too.

And once again, as flytoox found, there's likely to exist 7D here. An expert pair should have the tools to find it. I'm no expert, but I still search...

[inquiry]

4NT is surely quantitative, as everyone has pointed out already. South with 19 and bland distribution has no choice but to pass. 100% of blame on north.

Ben

[jdulmage]

I guess if you play 19-21, then it is quantitative. If you played it 20-21, I would say no, because the 1 point difference can't possible be enough to determine slam vs. pass.

North could have bid 4♣ gerber.

[HeartA]

inquiry, on Mar 7 2005, 10:33 AM, said:

4NT is surely quantitative, as everyone has pointed out already. South with 19 and bland distribution has no choice but to pass. 100% of blame on north.

Ben

completely agree, no matter South's 2N was 19-20 or 20-21(22).

[Trumpace]

Sorry for the off topic post, but a correct spelling of analyze is definitely not analize.