[hotShot]

At vugraph, all bids and cards are are played by the vugraph operator, he useses undo's if he made a mistake following the action at the table. So you cannot use this as an argument.

The benefit of illegal undo's is much bigger during play than during bidding.
Because you don't need a partner that agreed on the meaning.

Imagine the following sequence:
1♠ - pass - 4♠* -dbl undone to
1♠ - pass - 3♠ lowering the risk by one trick

Take a 12 board ACBL tourney. Each top adds about 8% points to your score. This move can make the difference between 58% and only 50%.

[bearmum]

fred, on Feb 25 2005, 02:45 AM, said:

I am not sure if the people who have responded so far have fully understood the purpose of Jean's post (a post I suggested that she make as the result of an e-mail she sent me on this subject).

The purpose of this thread is to find out peoples' opinions on what our Undo policy should be in ACBL tournaments. I don't think that it matters if you play in ACBL tournaments or not in order to offer an opinion, but keep in mind that you can win ACBL masterpoints in these tournaments. Whatever you happen to think of ACBL masterpoints, what is relevant here is that these things have definite value to a significant % of our membership.

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

IF all you want an opinion on is if UNDO should be allowed in ACBL Tourneys - my vote is NEVER MAINLY becaues ACBL points are awarded for these tourneys

I think that in ALL Pay tourneys undos should NEVER be allowed {JUST my opinion }

[Rain]

I believe its ACBL host's decision whether to allow or ban undo from the tourneys, not BBO. In response to mack's opening post.

Personally, I hate the idea of undoes. I will probably grant undo if the next card hasn't been played or if I'm trying to be nice or if its an obvious misclick. Far too many undo seekers are doing it not because of a misclick from bad mouse, but rather, because of changing of mind. I will be really irritated inside, however, and won't be able to stay long at a table with non concentrating oppos/partner.

I prefer people I play with to concentrate and click on the correct card. I think I've asked for an undo once in my life, in a brief competitive frenzy when I misclicked and couldn't bear the thought of losing imps due to stupidity. I also tell my partners I hate undoes and never want them to ask for one, prefer to pay the price for carelessness.

Rain

[TimG]

mackinnon, on Feb 24 2005, 11:52 PM, said:

I think we should take another look at Undo as several mentioned in their opinion in f/f you can always change your csll as long as your partner has not bid.

I don't recall ever seeing a player in ftf bridge attempt to change their call after LHO had made a call. And, if you read the Laws, you will find that such a change is not without possible penalty.

[TimG]

bearmum, on Feb 25 2005, 05:10 AM, said:

IF all you want an opinion on is if UNDO should be allowed in ACBL Tourneys - my vote is NEVER MAINLY becaues ACBL points are awarded for these tourneys

Why do you feel the Laws should be ignored in an ACBL tourney? The Laws say that a call may be changed if done "without pause for thought". The purpose seems to be to allow for the correction of an inadvertent call -- a misclick or a misthumb (when pulling the bidding cards out of the bidding box) or a mis-tongue (when bidding verbally). Why should this right be taken away when playing in an online tourney?

Tim

[han]

I think that it is not a good idea to allow UNDOs in ACBL tournaments. This will create more director calls, more abuse, and more confusion. It seems to me that this is not worth it.