[Free]

You hold:

Scoring: IMP

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The bidding goes:

1♠ - Dbl - 1NT* - pass
2♥* - pass - 2♠ - pass
pass - Dbl - RDbl - ?

1NT = transfer ♣, doesn't promisse/deny ♠
2♥ = doesn't like ♣

Over to you!

[inquiry]

I got five "good spades" (surely worth at least one trick. I got a the diamond king. Sounds like partner has hearts and there is no change they have a good fit. Clearly partne could bid 2NT as a general takeout with a void here, or he could bid 3C as pass/correct looking for a minor fit (despite the club transfer).

I think this is money for you with a pass. I can imagine 2Sxx down three for +1600 for us... after all, partner heard you pass 1NT, heard you pass 2S... for the bidding you have a great hand. The only problem with pass is partner might pull.. but then it is on him.

Ben

[HeartA]

Jlall, on Feb 16 2005, 07:29 PM, said:

pass whatever it means.

Ditto

[TimG]

inquiry, on Feb 16 2005, 07:23 PM, said:

I can imagine 2Sxx down three for +1600 for us...

I can imagine +840 for the bad guys. (I have a hard time imagining a good score for our side.)

[inquiry]

TimG, on Feb 16 2005, 09:10 PM, said:

inquiry, on Feb 16 2005, 07:23 PM, said:

I can imagine 2Sxx down three for +1600 for us...

I can imagine +840 for the bad guys. (I have a hard time imagining a good score for our side.)

What hand do you imagine for your parnter where he

1) doesn't pass
2) doesn't bid 2NT now as takeout with void (to keep you from passing)
3) doesn't bid a new suit of his own?

He is looking at a potential misfit auction for his opponents. His LHO seeems to have clubs, his RHO has both majors, and you haven't been able to bid. I suspect he has a huge hand. If i had to guess, i would go with 1444 and like 17-19 hcp, maybe stronger.

[Flame]

The bidding is very strange, it seems like partner doesnt have a very strong hand or else he would double 2H, partner doubled only on balancing since in balancing he believe we have around 20 hcp together since they didnt try for game, but looking at our hand and the redouble, we dont have those 20 hcp. maybe the opponents had a misunderstanding here(some use the transfer to clubs to show good support, maybe rho tried to do that and lho took it as a weak preference), maybe they just underbid. Anyway i know as always whatever i do will turn out as the worse choice.
I will choose pass.

[TimG]

Well, let's see, how about:

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[Flame]

TimG, on Feb 16 2005, 09:02 PM, said:

Well, let's see, how about:

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With a preferct play will make 9 tricks (after the ovious trump lead)

[han]

On this hand you are also down 3 in your best fit (diamonds).

I would run if I saw a good spot for us. I dont', and I have no clue how 2SXX will fare. Perhaps partner does, I pass.

[inquiry]

TimG, on Feb 16 2005, 10:02 PM, said:

Well, let's see, how about:

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If your partner is this weak and hit 2♠ (yes i know it is takeout), I have to wonder about him. This is only 15 hcp. His base suit is AQ empty. His club king is poorly place on the auction. There is no reason what soever to double with this hand. If you could bid a red suit, you WOULD HAVE DONE SO over 1NT. To double 2♠ here to get you to bid at the three level is suicide.

Partner is much more likely to have similar hearts (maybe KJxx), the diamond AQ seem good bet, but the clubs are probobalby AKQ or AKJ. I guess free will tell us soon.

[pclayton]

Wow - nice balance.

Youre pretty much toast whatever you do. Pass and let partner play 3♦ while you go get a Coke.

[whereagles]

Hum.. a bit of a messy situation. Seems you're screwed up no matter what you do, so I gamble on pard having a singleton spade honor and pass. Pass shows spade lenght, though pard can rescue himself if he likes.

[joker_gib]

Pass also !

Seems I have two defensive tricks (I hope)

[Chamaco]

TimG, on Feb 17 2005, 02:02 AM, said:

Well, let's see, how about:

Dealer: ????? Vul: ???? Scoring: Unknown

♠ x ♥ KQJx ♦ AQxxx ♣ Kxx ♠ AQJxx ♥ Axxxx ♦ Jx ♣ x ♠ Kx ♥ x ♦ xxxx ♣ AQxxxx ♠ T9876 ♥ T94 ♦ KT ♣ T84

I suppose that, if this is the layout and we pass (my choice), pard will likely pull the redouble to 3D, acknowledging his earlier overbid.

[TimG]

inquiry, on Feb 17 2005, 12:38 AM, said:

Partner is much more likely to have similar hearts (maybe KJxx), the diamond AQ seem good bet, but the clubs are probobalby AKQ or AKJ. I guess free will tell us soon.

It doesn't sound to me like partner can have AKQ or AKJ of clubs, RHO has to have something, he might have been fooling around with the transfer on the way to 2S, but not after he redoubled. You can put the Queen of clubs in the north hand (and leave east with Axxxxx) and 2S still rates to make.

I think we agree that someone has done something wrong. Unfortunately, I expect it to be partner (who passed 2H).

Tim

[flytoox]

Pass, nowhere to go. Hoping for -1. If they can make then we will go down a lot at three level.

[inquiry]

TimG, on Feb 17 2005, 09:03 AM, said:

inquiry, on Feb 17 2005, 12:38 AM, said:

Partner is much more likely to have similar hearts (maybe KJxx), the diamond AQ seem good bet, but the clubs are probobalby AKQ or AKJ.  I guess free will tell us soon.

It doesn't sound to me like partner can have AKQ or AKJ of clubs, RHO has to have something, he might have been fooling around with the transfer on the way to 2S, but not after he redoubled. You can put the Queen of clubs in the north hand (and leave east with Axxxxx) and 2S still rates to make.

I think we agree that someone has done something wrong. Unfortunately, I expect it to be partner (who passed 2H).

Tim

Well, I take it from Phil's "Wow - nice balance. Youre pretty much toast whatever you do. " is in line with my thoughts. No way your partner is this weak on this auciton. You came up with a funky hand, but if i was to come up what a complete hand, I would draw up something like...

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And technically, this is probably a minimum for partner. A trump lead, then a diamond to you, and a second trump, and this will be very expensive for them. Again, I think we shall just have to wait for Free to post the real hand.

Ben

PS - to Phil, my understanding is the hand Tim showed is one Tim came up with on his own, just like the one I showed here is one I made up. I agree with Phil and hs sarcastic comment "nice balance" so much that with that hand, I am certain I would pass 2♠.. that is, that hand isn't good enough for me to bid again on this auction.

[hotShot]

Opps seem to have:
no ♠ fit
no ♣ fit
opener might only have one ♣

Partner should have:
4+ ♥, meaning opps can't have a ♥ fit too

So i don't think opps have a fit at all, as a consequence we won't have a fit too.
So partner should have: ♠ 1, ♥ 4, ♦ 5 (4), ♣ 3(4)
Taking opps points into account partner might have something beween 16-18 HCP.
He knows he must downgrade his ♣, because opener is short, but he must also be sure that declarer cannot drop all his ♦ and ♥ looser on ♣.

I expect our side to make 1♣, 3♦, 1♠ and 1-2 ♥ tricks.

So pass is the best choice.

[TimG]

Ben,

I can understand East trying to play in clubs after the takeout double (though I would just pass) and then taking preference to spades over opener's 2H. But, why on earth would he redouble with that hand?

Tim