Stayman = Bad
#1
Posted 2014-July-03, 14:10
"Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make them all yourself."
"One advantage of bad bidding is that you get practice at playing atrocious contracts."
-Alfred Sheinwold
#3
Posted 2014-July-03, 14:51
"Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make them all yourself."
"One advantage of bad bidding is that you get practice at playing atrocious contracts."
-Alfred Sheinwold
#4
Posted 2014-July-03, 15:29
#5
Posted 2014-July-03, 16:35
5♣ is your spot, don't see how your supposed to find by starting to look at 4 level.
#6
Posted 2014-July-03, 17:46
chasetb, on 2014-July-03, 14:51, said:
Why does GIB N have to have 3 spades? You can see 3 spades after dummy comes down but there doesn't seem to be any reason why there couldn't be only 2. And with a random 3 card spade fit, I don't think 4♠ will play better than a 5-1 heart fit where N has very good hearts. I don't think GIB would bid 4♥ with your example with such a bad suit. Of course, with a likely 4 or 5 tricks in hearts, I don't know why GIB would pull from 3NT with the original hand (or with any hand for that matter since 3NT is a drop dead bid unless N had 4 spades).
#7
Posted 2014-July-03, 21:17
Bbradley62, on 2014-July-03, 15:29, said:
Why? 1NT is a fine opening on this balanced hand that is in the NT range. It is an obvious 1NT opening.
#8
Posted 2014-July-03, 22:57
I applaud the 1N opener, and I would far rather that than have to introduce the baggage associated with including a bal 15-17 hand in a 1M opener.
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mstr-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.
"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
#9
Posted 2014-July-04, 08:51
#10
Posted 2014-July-04, 08:55
johnu, on 2014-July-03, 14:13, said:
That's a bit unfair. 4♠ can't promise more than four spades and opener can bid 4NT with a doubleton spades.
#11
Posted 2014-July-04, 10:50
helene_t, on 2014-July-04, 08:55, said:
Why pass 4♥? With ♠xxxx, I don't want to play in spades opposite a random 3 card spade suit because it is almost certainly going to be a hopeless contract, and obviously not opposite 2 spades. You know GIB has completely gone off the rails by bidding 4♥ so you have no idea what will happen if you bid 4♠. Maybe GIB will keep on bidding hearts until the cows come home, or jump to slam because it suddenly thinks you are making a slam try. At this point, GIB is bidding without a script and if the hearts are really good, 4♥ may be the best that you can do.
Even with a human partner who takes you out of 4♥ it probably is right to pass but for a different reason. The most likely reason I can think of is that a human partner missorted their hand and has 6 or 7 hearts. Either that, or you're playing with a beginner who might pass 4♠ no matter what they have in spades.
#12
Posted 2014-July-04, 10:52
Lovera, on 2014-July-04, 08:51, said:
And your system is correct because???
#13
Posted 2014-July-04, 11:33
johnu, on 2014-July-04, 10:52, said:
What means is correct because ? I play Stayman and those are the indications: such for 1 NT are requested : an hand balanced among 4-3-3-3 or 4-4-3-2 or 5-3-3-2 (5th only diamond or clubs) otherwise i can't open 1 NT force 16-18;i wonder myself because this system is good and very known (but , honestly, not recent [copyright 1955] The complete Stayman systeme of contract bidding i have the third edition with preface of Mario Franco.
#15
Posted 2014-July-04, 13:31
steve2005, on 2014-July-04, 12:09, said:
should open 1♥ and rebid 2N
I ran it thru Kaplan evaluation and it agreed
K&R (A86 AKQT2 75 KT5) = 18.25
DK = 18-
... When opener must bid after a response force is not specified, you can have a hand that can be classified in terms of strength, in one of the following three categories: 1) minimum [13-16 points]; 2) inviting [17-19 points]; 3) forced to run [20 points or more]. The hand "minimal" is that have the requirements for an opening statement or little more. Its radius is of 13-16 points. The hand "inviting" is that will be able to produce the manche if responder has 9-10 points. A hand "forcing to run" is that having 20 or more points and that needs of 6 points to produce a contract for closure (pages 59 and 60 of the book indicated). In Stayman systeme your hand is valuted 19 points (16 Milton Work + 1Goren + 2 points the 5th card in compact suit ) and needs (in that system) of a jump declaration to show force like 1 H - 3 H. Stayman, Kaplan Sheinwold, Roth Stone are system that use 5th major but i don't know if are difference of bidding, i like (and suggest) Stayman and in that system is so. Bye.
#16
Posted 2014-July-04, 21:34
Lovera, on 2014-July-04, 13:31, said:
FYP
And that is the main flaw with not opening 1N in the first place.
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mstr-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.
"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
#18
Posted 2014-July-04, 22:33
To show how obsessed with Hearts GIB is, I was goofing off in Just Play Bridge on BBO and had the hand below. I didn't make the 3♥ bid, but that is what the bid promised.
"Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make them all yourself."
"One advantage of bad bidding is that you get practice at playing atrocious contracts."
-Alfred Sheinwold
#20
Posted 2014-July-05, 00:13
chasetb, on 2014-July-04, 22:33, said:
To show how obsessed with Hearts GIB is, I was goofing off in Just Play Bridge on BBO and hand the hand below. I didn't make the 3♥ bid, but that is what the bid promised.
8) (s) K 7 (h) A J 5 4 (d) K Q 8 6 3 © A 10 Declare 1 diamond and not1 NT - With distribution 5-4-2-2 there are more advantage for play with trump that could be lose opening 1 NT. The declaration of 2 heart (after any normal reponse) is a rever in contigous suits..Not is any proibition to open 1 NT with a hand 5-4-2-2, but in general color declaration will take you to better resultance (pag. 108 Chapter VII Opening declaration of 1 NT). In your hand there is a doubleton and not is covered a suit then is better to open 1 diamond. To declare NT all suit must be covered otherwise opp develope tricks that you can't stop.