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Now you see,3♥ said:5+♠,rebiddable ♥,4-card ♠,12 total points.
it is a conflicting explanation.
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A conflicting Gib explanation
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Posted 2014-April-06, 02:15
Now you see,3♥ said:5+♠,rebiddable ♥,4-card ♠,12 total points.
it is a conflicting explanation.
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Posted 2014-April-06, 10:09
and if you're cleaning up the randomness of the 3♥ explanation... surely 3N should not include the possibility of 5 hearts.
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Posted 2014-April-06, 14:24
Here is a very similar example (4H explanation)
Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. m
s
t
r-m
nd
ing) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.
"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. m
str-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees."Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
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Posted 2014-April-06, 23:17
1eyedjack,for 4 ♥ in your hand,I think it is a normal explanation.
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Posted 2014-April-06, 23:36
lycier, on 2014-April-06, 23:17, said:
1eyedjack,for 4 ♥ in your hand,I think it is a normal explanation.
"5+♠, 4-card ♠"
Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mstr-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.
"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. m
str-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees."Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
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Posted 2014-April-16, 09:02
Explanation for repeating new suit after:
1X - 1Y
2X - 2Z
* - 3Z/4Z
has been fixed to show 5+ cards in second suit.
So in upper diagram would show:
1♦ - 1♠
2♦ - 2♥
2N/3♣/3♦ - 3♥ -> -- 5+ ♥; 5+ ♠; 12+ total points; forcing to 3N
Similar if you jump to 4♥, but if you mouseover 3♥, maybe no reason to do it.
1X - 1Y
2X - 2Z
* - 3Z/4Z
has been fixed to show 5+ cards in second suit.
So in upper diagram would show:
1♦ - 1♠
2♦ - 2♥
2N/3♣/3♦ - 3♥ -> -- 5+ ♥; 5+ ♠; 12+ total points; forcing to 3N
Similar if you jump to 4♥, but if you mouseover 3♥, maybe no reason to do it.
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Posted 2014-April-16, 11:17
1eyedjack, on 2014-April-06, 23:36, said:
"5+♠, 4-card ♠"
The GIB documentation explains this type of inconsistency:
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Descriptions containing related features
Sometimes you'll see a confusing description like 5+ ♦, 3-card ♦. How can it be both a 3-card suit and have 5+ cards, you ask. This is because these are two different features: 5+ comes from the Length feature, while 3-card comes from the Quality feature. Although these are related (a 5-card suit is always at least biddable), GIB doesn't take these relationships into account when describing the hand. If one bid only shows suit length, while another bid only shows suit quality, the final description will show each of these as they were shown by their respective bids. As mentioned above, we maximize each feature across multiple bids that show that feature, but we don't reconcile different features, even if they're related.
Sometimes you'll see a confusing description like 5+ ♦, 3-card ♦. How can it be both a 3-card suit and have 5+ cards, you ask. This is because these are two different features: 5+ comes from the Length feature, while 3-card comes from the Quality feature. Although these are related (a 5-card suit is always at least biddable), GIB doesn't take these relationships into account when describing the hand. If one bid only shows suit length, while another bid only shows suit quality, the final description will show each of these as they were shown by their respective bids. As mentioned above, we maximize each feature across multiple bids that show that feature, but we don't reconcile different features, even if they're related.
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