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Posted 2005-February-09, 06:48

I am not interested in discussing the merits or otherwise of the "mini" NT. I am interested to know if you have the methods to bid the grand if partner opens 1NT. 10-12.

Kxx
QJxxx
xx
KJx

void
AKx
AKQJTx
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Posted 2005-February-09, 06:58

Ok, I'm used to play mini NT (10-12HCP, 5+SP) without 5 card M. We use a full relay scheme to bid slams. So I'll just slightly modify this to be able to show 5 card :blink: Here it goes:

1NT - 2
2 - 2
2NT - 3
3 - 3
3NT - 4
4NT - 5
5 - 5
5 - 5NT
6 - probably 7

East only bids relays
2 shows 4+
2NT shows 5s
3 shows exaclty 3-5-2-3
3NT shows 5 SlamPoints (lucky you have 5, otherwise we don't open ;) )
4NT shows 1/2 tophonours in , and , none in
5 shows exactly 1 tophonour
5 shows exactly 1 tophonour
6 shows exactly 1 tophonour

After all this info, you can construct following hand:
KXx
QXxxx
xx
KXx
x = small
X = possible J
partner has 10-12 HCP, so he has at least 2 J's in all suits except . Chance is quite big he has J.
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Posted 2005-February-09, 07:02

Yep that works. It was late tonight and I am tired. I could have found out using Keri too I guess. They bid it at the other table and we only bid 6D. Still had a narrow win though.
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Posted 2005-February-09, 07:25

free's looks nice... ours is:

1nt : 2d - game force
2h : 2s - 4 hearts/ask
3s : 4c - 3523/cab
4d : 4h - 2 or 3/spiral
4s : 4nt - no top hearts/spiral
5h : 5s - top spade, top club, no diamond/spiral
6c : 7h - queen of hearts/and another 'i see the hands' grand... responder should be able to count 13 tho
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Posted 2005-February-09, 07:26

With my regular partner I play 1NT in some situations as 10-13 with 5 possible.
With 5 you respond 2NT to Stayman with a minimum and 3 with a maximum.

So Free's auction would start:

1NT - 2 10-13 ; Stayman
2NT - 3 5 minimum ; Relay
3 3523

Now I will let him take over :blink:
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Posted 2005-February-09, 08:15

Playing keri is easy if you start up with 2

1NT 2
2 <-- min with 5 card heart. Should be fairly easy to bid the grand now.

The problem is why would one want to start via the keri 2 relay. One reason would be intending to follow up 2 with voidwood:

1NT 2
2 4 <-- diamond fit, voidwood

huh.. doh! I just realized I have all keys outside spades :blink:
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Posted 2005-February-09, 08:27

I play a 10-13 NT. We would probably bid

1NT - 2C
2H - 2S
3C - 5NT
6D - 7H

2C = relay (planning to continue to show a 3-suiter)
2H = minimum, 5 hearts (maximum with 5 hearts opens 1H)
2S = forcing heart raise
3C = club values - but any other call would work here equally well!
5NT = GSF
6D = queen high suit

More fun is if opener has

Kxx
QJ10x
xxx
KJx

now

1NT 2C
2D 3H
4H 4S
5H 5S
6C 7H

2C = relay
2D = no 5CM
3H = 3 suiter, diamonds > clubs > hearts
4H = to play
4S = cue bid
5H = horrible minimum
5S = cue bid
6C = cue bid
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Posted 2005-February-09, 16:13

We would bid:

1N - 2C
2D - 3H
4H - 4S
5C - 5D
5S - 6C
6S - 7D
7H

The explanations follow:

1NT = 10-12
2C = puppet to 2D
2D = required
3H = 3 hearts, 0-1 spades, 5+ diamonds
4H = usually 5 hearts, implies some wastage in spades
4S = 1430 keycard (HQ is the essential card here, SA may well be trick 13)
5C = 0 or 3
5D = ask about HQ
5S = HQ + SK
6C = asking about clubs
6S = 2nd round control
7D = choice of grands
7H = the HJ makes it good
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Posted 2005-February-09, 16:34

I dont play all these nice fetures, but if we have away to show 5 hearts , like pupet stayman, then after asking for aces, i will be able to know about partner's Q of heart and bid 7H.
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Posted 2005-February-09, 18:01

Hi. I play Keri with my pd and we would bid it like this:
1NT 2
2 2NT
3 3
3NT 4
4 4NT
5 5
6 7

2 is a puppet to 2, 2 shows minimum with a 5 card suit. 2NT asks for the doubleton and sets a GF. afterwards, bidding is fairly natural with cuebids and RKC (I prefer RKC to exclusion here since, having all of the other KC's, there is no abiguity and the SA might get us to 7NT). I bid 7 since I can't find out about the J and I might need a ruff to set up the , I would then only have 12 tricks but, where there is 12, there is 13 ;)
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