[sceptic]

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 -     Pass  Pass  3♣
 Dbl   Pass  3♥    Pass
 3NT   Dbl   4♦    Pass
 4♥    Dbl   Pass  Pass
 RDbl  Pass  Pass  Pass
 

what do you make of all the bidding and is it a hopeless case from the start

[inquiry]

Oh boy, were to start.Did EW make one right bid? Highly doubtful...

Double of 3♣ is bizarre unless you have an agreement that this is penalty (and maybe 3♦ is general takeout ala fishbein). Since double here is generally read as takeout and west has soooo many clubs, double can't be right.

East first bid. You know, that five card heart suit looks like a three card one to me (ok, well a four card one), and that six card diamond suit with honors looks pretty good to me. I would have bid 3♦ over the double, not 3♥. With this weak of a hand, I want to show where I live,,, If partner insist, I cand show hearts later... if need be.

3NT, ok a good shot... but if WEST thought his hand was good enough for 3NT he should bid that directly over 3C not with a double.

4D.. I guess with a club void and partner short, running makes some sense, but what if partner had AKx of diamonds? Anyway, 4D is not horrible but could be second guessed if 3NT makes or if something nasty happens in four hearts doubled...

4H .. ok, three card support versus 2 card support, and 4H is at least game. When 4H gets doubled, EAST with an 8 high suit probalby should think of running. His partner has three hearts at best. This hand will be forced on club leads. Ugly all around. As for the redouble? What was west smoking? His partners 4D bid wasn't from stregnth...... his hand will be a huge disappointment to his partner at best. And if his partner had anything it is HE who could have redoubled.

5D is a better (aka safer contract), and 4D is about perfect...

Ben

[pbleighton]

West should never have bid, not with those clubs. His only bid with that shape is 3NT, and he isn't strong enough for that.

Peter

[the hog]

Agree with Ben. 3NT is clear. This will probably be passed out.

[Gerben47]

Agree with Ben also. West should bid 3NT directly. If that gets doubled East should bid 4♦ which should not be questioned by West.

[whereagles]

Passing(!!) 3♣ also comes to mind. If pard can't produce a take-out double of 3♣ (yummy, yummy..) we probably can't make a thing

[the hog]

whereagles, on Feb 10 2005, 11:36 PM, said:

Passing(!!) 3♣ also comes to mind. If pard can't produce a take-out double of 3♣ (yummy, yummy..) we probably can't make a thing

So pd is supposed to bid or make a takeout X with

Qxxxx
xxx
AJxx
x

Sure!

[whereagles]

That hand is an automatic take-out double. In fact it is criminal not to double.

/sarcasm off

[the hog]

Whereagles you have got to be kidding me. Even Ben wouldn't X with that piece of cheese.

[whereagles]

Of course I'm kidding you... lol. Not that I would think it's revolting to balance on that trash Why, I might very well do it... lol. The point is simply that pass 3C isn't as "wimpy" as it might seem.

[han]

I can't remember having seen a 20-count with as little playing potential as this one. It's hard to do at the table, but I think that pass is right.

[HeartA]

Hannie, on Feb 11 2005, 12:50 PM, said:

I can't remember having seen a 20-count with as little playing potential as this one. It's hard to do at the table, but I think that pass is right.

agree