[kgr]

Teams; vulnerable

Teams

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1♥-(pass)-?
1NT=natural, non-forcing (6-9HCP)

[aguahombre]

If those are the two choices, I vote Pass.

[Cyberyeti]

1N, but we respond pretty light anyway. If partner says anything other than more hearts including pass I'm happy.

[broze]

aguahombre, on 2013-November-12, 10:50, said:

If those are the two choices, I vote Pass.

Can you suggest another...?

I pass as well.

EDIT: Sorry, for some reason I assumed MPs where I would definitely pass. More hearts will be coming from partner something like 75% of the time I reckon so I stand to do better by passing. At IMPs I am too nervous of missing the game so I choose 1N. Would be nice if I was playing BART if p bids 2C.

This post has been edited by broze: 2013-November-12, 11:07

[HighLow21]

1NT. It's anti-system to pass unless you're playing an unusual system.

[Cyberyeti]

broze, on 2013-November-12, 11:02, said:

Can you suggest another...?

I pass as well.

EDIT: Sorry, for some reason I assumed MPs where I would definitely pass. More hearts will be coming from partner something like 75% of the time I reckon so I stand to do better by passing. At IMPs I am too nervous of missing the game so I choose 1N. Would be nice if I was playing BART if p bids 2C.

3♣ WJS would be the only alternative I could think of if you were playing that.

It depends if you habitually bid 2♥ or 2m with 6-4, we normally bid the minor so I feel your 75% figure is way off, I actually think some weakish 45xx hand is pretty likely where 1N may well play better than hearts.

[Zelandakh]

broze, on 2013-November-12, 11:02, said:

Can you suggest another...?

You need to read Ken's articles more - classic 1♠ response.

[HighLow21]

Once again: in the OP's system, the choices are 1NT or Pass.

I choose 1NT for the simple reason that that's what the hand is worth in the OP's system. Partner could have a rock-crusher and game could easily be on in NT, ♥, ♣ or ♦. The risk of going down 3 in 1NT has to be faced, because the risk of missing a making vulnerable game by passing is greater.

And perhaps even greater of a risk: alienating your partner by making an anti-system pass.

[kenberg]

I guess that I agree with the bidders. My worry about bidding 1NT is not so much that I might go down 3, although I might. My worry is more that partner will rebid 3♥. That might be too high and with no place to run over a double. But I just can't bring myself to pass. There very well could be a game on these cards. The fact that I have 6 highs is only part of it. Four of my highs are in my six card suit. This may well produce some tricks. So I bid 1NT.

If I am the heart opener and partner passes with this, I will not go crazy if he is wrong. It's a problem hand, that's why it is posted. But I bid.

[nigel_k]

Disliking hearts is not a reason to pass. You will improve the contract more often than make it worse.

For example I would bid 1NT with xxx - xxxx KJxxxx but would pass with Jxx xx xxxx KJxx.

[wank]

passing is absurd. you deserve to go 3 down in 1♥ with 3nt cold

[ArtK78]

I would bid 1NT.

I have some sympathy for the pass, but it is an exercise in masterminding. For all you know, you have a grand slam in clubs and you will be playing in 1♥.

[the hog]

1NT. Not happy, but that is life.

[gszes]

Yes Yes things can go wrong but there is still quite a bit of potential
here where we own around half the deck and could have quite a bit
more.
Bid 1N
and be proud. Who nows maybe you will talk your opps out of something
or p will do something less irritating besides rebidding hearts:)))))))))))))))'

Not much sympathy for pass unless playing a big club system. Pass a
scary idea even at MP.

[the_clown]

1N not close. If partner doesn't rebid ♥s we have improved the contract dramatically, besides there is every possibility that we have game.

[mike777]

Agree with 1nt but I don't think every possibility leads to game, a few lead to ruin.

[lycier]

I would intend to pass since it is a devalued hand with voidness of ♥ ,and I will hope to bid 3♣ if possible in the later auction.
please be assured that there are a lot of hcp outside.

[kgr]

Thanks you all for the answers.
Bidding was:
1♥-(pass)-1NT-(Pass)
2♥-AP
Result: 2♥-4 (-400)

At other table the result was 1♥ by East: Result -1 (-50)
(Not sure, but I think that Opps at other table played strong Club and 1M showing 13-15 pnts; 1♦ used for all other hands with 10+ pts and bidding probably was: (1♦)-1♥-AP).

My partner played this contract and I don't know the full hands (I think she had 11HCP and 3=6=3=1).

[ArtK78]

kgr, on 2013-November-13, 10:23, said:

Thanks you all for the answers.
Bidding was:
1♥-(pass)-1NT-(Pass)
2♥-AP
Result: 2♥-4 (-400)

At other table the result was 1♥ by East: Result -1 (-50)
(Not sure, but I think that Opps at other table played strong Club and 1M showing 13-15 pnts; 1♦ used for all other hands with 10+ pts and bidding probably was: (1♦)-1♥-AP).

My partner played this contract and I don't know the full hands (I think she had 11HCP and 3=6=3=1).

The opps at the other table play a system where a 1♦ opening is correct on a 3-6-3-1 11 count? That is truly bizarre. Talk about a fix.

[Zelandakh]

ArtK78, on 2013-November-13, 11:27, said:

The opps at the other table play a system where a 1♦ opening is correct on a 3-6-3-1 11 count? That is truly bizarre. Talk about a fix.

I took it to mean that West was dealer and opened in front of partner but on a second reading you are right. It also seems bizarre that South passed over that with a void but perhaps they had put even less thought into their competitive bidding than had gone into the basic system.