[BT108]

Bob Crosby''s "The Bully Suit"
http://www.edmontonb...ully%20Suit.htm

Anyone playing this ?

I saw from the article that "4NT is never Blackwood or natural over the opponents 4♠ bid. Let me repeat that. No matter how the auction went if the opponents bid 4♠, 4NT by your side is never Blackwood. The bid shows a two suiter or is Lebensohl or is takeout depending on context."

Does it mean that even if you have a known fit, 4NT is still not rkc ?
Say
1H (1S) 4H (4S)
4N ......

[ArtK78]

Never say never.

[Zelandakh]

Hello and welcome to the forums. My reading of that would be that 5♥ in your auction is a slam try and 4NT followed by 5♥ is merely competitive. There are other possibilities here too, such as slam tries with/without a spade control. More detail (or perhaps reading through in more detail) would be necessary to know precisely what was meant.

[PrecisionL]

Bob Crosby's site is a wealth of information and creative ideas.
Yes, I play the treatments mentioned and many other of his suggestions.

However, in your example partner has bid (pre-emptively) so I think that 4NT here is Blackwood.

[Lorne50]

BT108, on 2013-November-07, 12:17, said:

Does it mean that even if you have a known fit, 4NT is still not rkc ?
Say
1H (1S) 4H (4S)
4N ......

If you consider that auction and ask yourself how often you want to bid a slam based only on number of key cards vs how often you want to differentiate between a weak or strong 5H bid I think you will find the latter is more common. Note you also have 5♣ and 5♦ available for a serious slam try so I think 4N is more useful if it is not RKCB.

[BT108]

"never" Blackwood
"No matter how the auction went"

Are these very specific wordings that 4NT is never rkc ?
I think his theory is to make this 4NT no confusion, you never need to guess what it is ?

[helene_t]

I misread the title, made me think of the tricks people use to circumvent the **** filter: "bullsuit"

Anyway, if they sacrifice with 4♠ over our 3NT, 4NT is to play.

[barmar]

BT108, on 2013-November-07, 12:17, said:

Bob Crosby''s "The Bully Suit"
http://www.edmontonb...ully%20Suit.htm

Anyone playing this ?

I saw from the article that "4NT is never Blackwood or natural over the opponents 4♠ bid. Let me repeat that. No matter how the auction went if the opponents bid 4♠, 4NT by your side is never Blackwood. The bid shows a two suiter or is Lebensohl or is takeout depending on context."

Does it mean that even if you have a known fit, 4NT is still not rkc ?
Say
1H (1S) 4H (4S)
4N ......

I think this case is so obvious he didn't think it needed to be addressed. If you've already found a fit, it can't possibly be intended to find another suit. He can only be talking about auctions where the preempt has gotten in the way of your side finding a fit.

[RSClyde]

Lorne50, on 2013-November-07, 15:10, said:

If you consider that auction and ask yourself how often you want to bid a slam based only on number of key cards vs how often you want to differentiate between a weak or strong 5H bid I think you will find the latter is more common. Note you also have 5♣ and 5♦ available for a serious slam try so I think 4N is more useful if it is not RKCB.

I would say that you bid slam based on number of key cards quite often, especially on an auction with a big fit. You have lots of bids doing the same thing. 5 of either minor is "a slam try". So what's 4nt? What can "bidding 5♥ with a strong hand" mean if not a slam try? If I just want to compete to 5♥ to make, but no higher, I can just double 5♠ myself if they bid it.