[dake50]

I suggest to nominate you for the dreamer of the year award.

Why not x AKQJxx - AKQJxx, surely part of your style, and a grand looks quite reasonable.

Rainer Herrmann

*** Then wouldn't "impending doom" become "impending glorious"?????

[dake50]

OP doesn't have the luxury of discussed continuations, so it seems he has little choice but to roll the dice (probably Timo's suggestion of a Pass for now and worry later). 3C, if taken for the desire to play in clubs regardless of Pard's minor, could launch more doom..as could anything else taken wrong. It could also locate our 1-1 club fit instead of our 6-6 Diamond slam.

*** So commenters should/should not suggest what those "luxury of *to be discussed* continuations" SHOULD BE and why?
This is an expert forum, so should have diverse and useable suggestions justified.

[aguahombre]

dake50, on 2013-November-08, 10:00, said:

OP doesn't have the luxury of discussed continuations, so it seems he has little choice but to roll the dice (probably Timo's suggestion of a Pass for now and worry later). 3C, if taken for the desire to play in clubs regardless of Pard's minor, could launch more doom..as could anything else taken wrong. It could also locate our 1-1 club fit instead of our 6-6 Diamond slam.

*** So commenters should/should not suggest what those "luxury of *to be discussed* continuations" SHOULD BE and why?
This is an expert forum, so should have diverse and useable suggestions justified.

Dake: IMO, contributors should try to answer a posted problem or question within the conditions facing the OP. Those who do that and then provide useable suggestions to avoid the problem are the most helpful ---whether others agree with them or not.

Those who focus solely on recommendations to avoid the problem often have valid points but are not being entirely responsive to the question.

Then, there is another group

Ideally, in these cases, once the OP has received answers/suggestions directly related to his post, and the focus of the thread has moved off topic to the pros and cons of other related agreements...then a new thread would be linked and referenced. That isn't likely to happen very often.

[ggwhiz]

dake50, on 2013-November-08, 10:00, said:

OP doesn't have the luxury of discussed continuations, so it seems he has little choice but to roll the dice (probably Timo's suggestion of a Pass for now and worry later). 3C, if taken for the desire to play in clubs regardless of Pard's minor, could launch more doom..as could anything else taken wrong. It could also locate our 1-1 club fit instead of our 6-6 Diamond slam.

*** So commenters should/should not suggest what those "luxury of *to be discussed* continuations" SHOULD BE and why?
This is an expert forum, so should have diverse and useable suggestions justified.

All I did was gamble 2nt, say why and include what the discussion might look like AFTER the hand on the theory that we would continue to play and my opinion that it's not happening if you unilaterally pass 2♠.

[MrAce]

I do not think OP is asking our methods over michaels. If he did, he would not have post a hand. Instead he would have posted the auction and asked what would all bids over 2 ♠ mean.

The way i read it, OP is giving us his methods and agreements (or lack of agreements) and also giving us the hand and the auction and asking how would we try to slip through this scary situation.

[Cyberyeti]

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Given that you hadn’t discussed continuations here (beyond a forcing 2N), what’s your call (and how do you expect P to take it)?

OK, this is what I'd expect.

2N strong relay (given)
3♣ to play in clubs if partner has them, may be diamonds or hearts if not, I may invite opposite diamonds
3♦ to play in diamonds if partner has them, partner bids 3♥ normally with hearts and clubs, I can pass or invite in clubs

I'm thus a bit stuffed, particularly as partner could go bananas here if he has a good hand over 2N, I think I pass 2♠ (NV I don't think it's close).

[Trinidad]

Cyberyeti, on 2013-November-08, 18:05, said:

OK, this is what I'd expect.

2N strong relay (given)

Where do you see that in the OP? It says "forcing". That doesn't mean "strong", does it?

Rik

[Cyberyeti]

Trinidad, on 2013-November-09, 03:43, said:

Where do you see that in the OP? It says "forcing". That doesn't mean "strong", does it?

Rik

If you have pass/correct bids it should be strong, but I normally take forcing as "forcing through strength" in this sort of sequence because unless you have the arrangement that partner can't show extras by bidding something other than 3m, you get into too much trouble otherwise.

[dboxley]

Jinksy, on 2013-November-06, 10:06, said:

Teams, unfavourable. LHO opens 1S (SAYC), and partner overcalls 2S, Hs and a minor, wide-ranging strength. You try to look confident as you gaze down at:

AT8xx
x
KJ98xx
x

Given that you hadn't discussed continuations here (beyond a forcing 2N), what's your call (and how do you expect P to take it)?

Given the same meaning of 2S, would you choose something different than what you'd expect an average reasonable strength P to take as your response structure?

3D to play unless pd has very unusual michaels.

[Zelandakh]

Given the conditions in the OP I would bid 2NT. For 90+% of pick-up players out there this just asks for the minor and nothing else. Bidding 3♦ may work out or may be taken as a good hand and we have no way of knowing. At least this route we can be fairly certain of either playing 3♣ undoubled or 3♦.

In practise, I like to play the 2NT advance as a relay and allow partner to bid something other than 3m over this. Then 3♣ is pass/correct and 3♦ is a good raise of hearts. But you cannot assume something like this without discussion so better to play it safe with a sequence that you can be fairly certain of.