[mila85]

inquiry, on Jan 25 2005, 07:49 PM, said:

I am surprised so many seem to think if forced to choose between invite or GF, they would go invite with this hand. This is a very good hand in support of diamonds. Phil gives a pair of similar hands where he failed to bid slam:

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AKxx, AKx, Txxxx, x opposite: Qxx, Qxxx, AKxxx, x.

Opener can have 12-13 balanced.

I invite but I hope parter has more bids than two (minimum and maximum)

[Double !]

Hand #1: I don't think one can immediately determine whether or not hand #1 is GF playing precision until one gets a rebid from opener. This type of hand opens another can of worms, specifically the almost universal position that an inverted single raise of a minor denies a 4-card major. BUT, should it, especially playing limited openers with 1D showing 2+ diamonds, or whatever? I suspect that I am probably alone in this, but I say no. Wouldn't it be nice to get the invitational-plus nature off of one's chest with a forcing single raise, and be able to rebid your spade suit or raise spades depending on opener's rebid? Maybe some agreements regarding the meaning of opener's rebid would be necessary, maybe not if just playing naturally. An initial response of 1S creates rebid problems. (anticipate many disagreements to this position.) BTW, knowing what 1NT opening range the parternship is playing might help....?

Hand#2: 5D is enough. Where is it written that the 4Heart bid necessarily shows a weak hand and that P has a big hand? IMO it shows a hand that could be of any range whereby the 4H bidder has decided to place the contract. Otherwise, the 4Ht bidder might have bid something else?

[luis]

Thanks for the responses, some good views.
About hand #1 it was an opinion poll, I'm in the GF "wo what" band.

Hand #2 is interesting because looking at your cards I think it's quite obvious that you should be bidding 6d, K of spades, nothing in hearts where pd seems to be void, queen of diamonds and QJ of clubs for pd minors, too many good signs. But if you bid 6 they will likely defend to 6h then do you bid 7? It's a roller coaster, specially when pd is doing EXACTLY the same thing that you are doing!!!
Pds hand:
Axx,- AKxxx, AKxxx

If you bid 5d pd passes (!) planning to go to 6d if they bid 5h now things get interesting when they do bid 5h and YOU bid 6d, then pd passes expecting to bid 7 if they defend to 6h. Amazingly In 7h they go for 800 only so almost anything you can write in your column is quite good.
One of those hands....