[jddons]

Playing weak NT with 4 card majors, what would be your choice of rebid with the North hand?

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[billw55]

3♣ for me. Can live with 1NT too.

[Fluffy]

http://www.bridgebas...2727-bid-these/

[PhilG007]

North should have bid 3♣ emphasising his club length
His hand is too unbalanced for NTs and has ruffing values in ♠ in a
club game contract The bidding should go:-

1♣ 1♥
3♣ 5♣
pass

[jmcw]

3♣

[StevenG]

2♦

[Cyberyeti]

PhilG007, on 2013-September-23, 15:02, said:

North should have bid 3♣ emphasising his club length
His hand is too unbalanced for NTs and has ruffing values in ♠ in a
club game contract The bidding should go:-

1♣ 1♥
3♣ 5♣
pass

Read the other thread linked to above, you really don't want to play in 3♣ opposite say xxxx, KQJxx, xxx, x and you will, 2♦ keeps the heart suit in the game.

I was playing in the same county match as the OP where this one turned up.

Also signing off in 5♣ is silly, next time partner's hand will be Kxx, x, KQx, AKJxxx and 6♣ will be excellent.

[billw55]

2♦, interesting, this is a blind spot for me. Maybe I can learn something today!

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you really don't want to play in 3♣ opposite say xxxx, KQJxx, xxx, x and you will, 2♦ keeps the heart suit in the game.

OK, this I can understand. But is there a risk of playing in diamonds when partner has something like xxx KQxx JTxx xx? Or is partner expected to allow for a 3-card reverse, pending further bidding?

[Cyberyeti]

billw55, on 2013-September-24, 06:29, said:

OK, this I can understand. But is there a risk of playing in diamonds when partner has something like xxx KQxx JTxx xx? Or is partner expected to allow for a 3-card reverse, pending further bidding?

My partner will usually respond 1♦ with that, if he has 4♦, he has 5♥.

[PhilKing]

billw55, on 2013-September-24, 06:29, said:

2♦, interesting, this is a blind spot for me. Maybe I can learn something today!


OK, this I can understand. But is there a risk of playing in diamonds when partner has something like xxx KQxx JTxx xx? Or is partner expected to allow for a 3-card reverse, pending further bidding?

The hand is unlikely, since it means both opponents have neglected to overcall 1♠.

Anyway, you will fetch in 3♦ after the auction continues:

2NT (lebensohl, or 2♠, blackout, if you prefer)-3♣
3♦-pass

If they lead a spade, you lead a heart up and take it from there. Say it loses and they continue spades, you have good chances of scrambling nine tricks - you make three diamonds in dummy, four side tricks and two spade ruffs.

The advantage comes when partner has a good hand, and the pitfalls are not that frequent.

[mycroft]

90% of the time when 5♣ makes, even 6, 3NT makes at least 4. Sure, 6♣ is the most likely slam, but at MP at least, the holy grail is the holy grail.

I don't like 1NT because I play that I can "transfer" to 2♠ with any 5-card suit (mostly because I live in a world of strong NT, and their auctions are invariably 1NT-2♥; 2♠. I'm enough "top or bottom" by wrongsiding the contract without having to decide if the contract is wrong as well). So 3♣ for me. I like the idea of 2♦, but I'm not sure I'm going to be able to resolve that on the typical diamond raise and still keep 3NT in the picture.

[Cyberyeti]

mycroft, on 2013-September-24, 09:37, said:

90% of the time when 5♣ makes, even 6, 3NT makes at least 4. Sure, 6♣ is the most likely slam, but at MP at least, the holy grail is the holy grail.

I don't like 1NT because I play that I can "transfer" to 2♠ with any 5-card suit (mostly because I live in a world of strong NT, and their auctions are invariably 1NT-2♥; 2♠. I'm enough "top or bottom" by wrongsiding the contract without having to decide if the contract is wrong as well). So 3♣ for me. I like the idea of 2♦, but I'm not sure I'm going to be able to resolve that on the typical diamond raise and still keep 3NT in the picture.

OP doesn't state this, but this was in a teams (of 8) match.

[ggwhiz]

Not only is the stiff spade ace horribly wrong for 1nt the opponents silence may well put us in the slam zone.

3♣ is straight ahead and will get us to where we belong. Make it a tiny touch better (nicer hearts or JT of clubs?) and I can bid 2♦ in my practiced partnership but wouldn't spring it on a casual partner

[PhilG007]

Cyberyeti, on 2013-September-23, 16:19, said:

Read the other thread linked to above, you really don't want to play in 3♣ opposite say xxxx, KQJxx, xxx, x and you will, 2♦ keeps the heart suit in the game.

I was playing in the same county match as the OP where this one turned up.

Also signing off in 5♣ is silly, next time partner's hand will be Kxx, x, KQx, AKJxxx and 6♣ will be excellent.

It has been truly(and wisely)said,You should bid your own hand,not your partner's(!)

[Cyberyeti]

PhilG007, on 2013-September-30, 01:42, said:

It has been truly(and wisely)said,You should bid your own hand,not your partner's(!)

If you have no consideration as to what partner is likely to hold, when you have the chance to find out and you're not a beginner, there is little hope for you, simply leaping to game and missing slams that are not difficult to bid is one of the signs of a weak or inexperienced player.

[MrAce]

jddons, on 2013-September-23, 12:47, said:

Playing weak NT with 4 card majors, what would be your choice of rebid with the North hand?

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Clear cut 3♣, unless you have custom methods or agreements.

I don't like 1 NT at all. I can see why he wanted to bid 1 NT, but i still don't like it.