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#1 User is offline   benlessard 

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Posted 2013-August-28, 00:20


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3D is natural game try.
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Posted 2013-August-28, 00:46

I'd bid game. I have an extra trump, a fit for partner's side-suit, and a singleton opposite partner's 2- or 3-card holding.

Wasn't this worth a mixed raise on the previous round?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2013-August-28, 01:11

View Postgnasher, on 2013-August-28, 00:46, said:

Wasn't this worth a mixed raise on the previous round?


How do you want him to do w/o custom agreements over 2♥ ? 2 NT artificial perhaps ?
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Posted 2013-August-28, 01:41

game of course..
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Posted 2013-August-28, 01:44

View PostMrAce, on 2013-August-28, 01:11, said:

How do you want him to do w/o custom agreements over 2♥ ? 2 NT artificial perhaps ?

Perhaps that's the subject for another thread - I started typing an answer, then realised it was a rather egregious threadjack.
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Posted 2013-August-28, 02:06

View Postbenlessard, on 2013-August-28, 00:20, said:

IMO 4♣ = 10, 4♠ = 9, 3♥ = 6, 3♠ = 5

View Postgnasher, on 2013-August-28, 00:46, said:

I'd bid game. I have an extra trump, a fit for partner's side-suit, and a singleton opposite partner's 2- or 3-card holding.
Wasn't this worth a mixed raise on the previous round?
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Posted 2013-August-28, 05:05

Wrong forum.
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Posted 2013-August-28, 05:46

If partner is 5143 game will be very easy, if he is 5152 he will be a bit weaker but still game will roll home between 50 and 60% so its fair.
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Posted 2013-August-28, 07:15

Clear accept for me. The way I learned this is, partner is not asking how good my hand is. He is asking solely about my diamonds. I have length and a fitting honor there, ergo accept.
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Posted 2013-August-28, 10:05

I think bypassing 2S with a mixed raise on the first round is just plain wrong. You do have 4 trumps and a singleton however you have good defensive prospect so you ll be able to easily buy the hand in 2S/3S and not being afraid of further competition. If overcaller cannot bid 3S over 3H with the stiff H you probably dont want to be in 3S anyway. Also outside the stiff clubs your values are shady and versus an agressive overcall you could go end up for -200 way too easily.

My partner also bid 4S

AKQxxx
x
A9xx
xx

4S was making because West was marked with the K of D and it was doubleton.
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For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
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Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
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Posted 2013-August-28, 11:24

View Postbenlessard, on 2013-August-28, 10:05, said:

AKQxxx
x
A9xx
xx

4S was making because West was marked with the K of D and it was doubleton.


Did you have reason to think it was doubleton? If not, the intrafinesse would probably be better odds. There are six ways that the diamonds can be KHx-Hx, against four ways for him to have Kx and one for him to have a singleton king.
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Posted 2013-August-28, 18:13

I'm bidding 4S. I have a clear accept with diamond length, club shortage, and partner's marked heart shortage to go with my 4th trump.
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Posted 2013-August-28, 21:13

Looks like a double fit so I am accepting the game try. PD is short ♥ and on a lucky day may show up with the A or Q♣ so my K isn't worthless.
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Posted 2013-August-29, 15:57

View Postgnasher, on 2013-August-28, 11:24, said:

Did you have reason to think it was doubleton? If not, the intrafinesse would probably be better odds. There are six ways that the diamonds can be KHx-Hx, against four ways for him to have Kx and one for him to have a singleton king.


LHO started with A of H and switched to a trump he also showed the A of C.

xx
Axx
???
Axxxx?

x
KJxxx
K??
QJTx?

I thought it was likely that RHO had a 5th club for the opening.
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
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Posted 2013-August-30, 00:55

View Postbenlessard, on 2013-August-29, 15:57, said:

LHO started with A of H and switched to a trump he also showed the A of C.

xx
Axx
???
Axxxx?

x
KJxxx
K??
QJTx?

I thought it was likely that RHO had a 5th club for the opening.


That seems a good reason.
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Posted 2013-August-30, 08:19

:P An easy 4♠. We lose one club, one heart and one diamond. We win seven spades and three diamonds. At least that is what it looks like.
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