[jillybean]

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lead ♦9 tricks = 10

Other table:) 1S 2S 4S lead ♥10 tricks = 10

[Fluffy]

It takes a lot of effort to post thishands, but really.. there is nothing on this one!

[c_corgi]

If West was looking for slam that seems over-optimistic (what is upper limit for 2S?) If not then 3D leaked a lot of information to the defence and risked ethical problems if East had bid 3S out of tempo.

[jillybean]

Fluffy, on 2013-July-30, 08:36, said:

It takes a lot of effort to post thishands, but really.. there is nothing on this one!

I thought that too on board1 but it has generated a lot of comments. Perhaps that is more to do with
people needing to comment rather than the interest value of the hand.
It's less effort now that I can use the movie thingy to post the hands, it's still a bit of a PITA though.

[gszes]

3d would yield a great slam opposite a perfect ten but Bo Derek told me a long time ago
there was no sense in me seeking a perfect ten:)))))))))))) (of course I assumed she was
talking about bridge).

[lycier]

Lead ♦9? no,I don't think it was a good option since lead ♦ with singleton or voidness of opps is no-no.

[jillybean]

c_corgi, on 2013-July-30, 08:42, said:

If West was looking for slam that seems over-optimistic (what is upper limit for 2S?) If not then 3D leaked a lot of information to the defence and risked ethical problems if East had bid 3S out of tempo.

3♦ is a short suit game try, 2♠ is 8-10(11). We have S3N available so this is more like a Non serious 3N sequence. I like this bidding, it keeps me in the picture and I think it allows us to find the slams based on shape rather than pure points.

[c_corgi]

jillybean, on 2013-July-31, 07:56, said:

3♦ is a short suit game try, 2♠ is 8-10(11). We have S3N available so this is more like a Non serious 3N sequence. I like this bidding, it keeps me in the picture and I think it allows us to find the slams based on shape rather than pure points.

East will evaluate KQx Qx Axxx xxxx or KQx xxx Axxxx Qx as a perfect maximum (or likely more than a maximum) and slam will be grim. I think it needs a perfect maximum with 4 trumps to be good, which seems too small a target to aim for even if it is in the range.

[jillybean]

c_corgi, on 2013-July-31, 08:13, said:

East will evaluate KQx Qx Axxx xxxx or KQx xxx Axxxx Qx as a perfect maximum (or likely more than a maximum) and slam will be grim. I think it needs a perfect maximum with 4 trumps to be good, which seems too small a target to aim for even if it is in the range.

I don't follow your analysis here, shouldn't East down grade the hand due to the largely wasted A♦ values?

The hands are also beginning to look like a 3card limit raise rather than a constructive raise.

[ArtK78]

jillybean, on 2013-July-31, 08:31, said:

I don't follow your analysis here, shouldn't East down grade the hand due to the largely wasted A♦ values?

The hands are also beginning to look like a 3card limit raise rather than a constructive raise.

An Ace opposite a known short suit is not a wasted value. A King would be a wasted value.

More important is the upgrade for secondary values in the other suits.

Using loser count evaluation, responder evaluates her hand on the basis of how many cover cards responder has for opener's losers. A game try by opener opposite a single raise implies that opener has a 6 loser hand. Responder's hand is T752 4 KT632 KJ6. Opposite the 1♠ opening, responder had 4 potential cover cards (2 for the singleton heart, one for the ♦K and one for the ♣K), which is actually too good for a mere 2♠ response. A Bergen mixed raise would be a better description of the hand (even a mini-splinter is not out of the question if you have the tools). Having bid 2♠, responder hears opener make a short suit game try in diamonds. Responder immediately discounts the ♦K, but now counts the ♣K as a full cover card. The question then is whether the heart singleton is worth two cover cards. The best available call is 3♥, saying that responder is still interested in game, but can't tell if all of her cards are working. Obviously, opener is going to bid game.

It is not unreasonable for responder to just bid game over 3♦, despite the fact that the ♦K is wasted.

[broze]

West needs the absolute perfecto for slam and a short-suit game try gives away a lot of information. I much prefer 4♠ to 3♦ with the West cards. Apart from that this seems like a real nothing hand.

[jillybean]

Wasted value is the wrong description, but I do downgrade the value of an Ace opposite shortage in partners hand.

[ArtK78]

jillybean, on 2013-July-31, 09:28, said:

Wasted value is the wrong description, but I do downgrade the value of an Ace opposite shortage in partners hand.

If there is a downgrade, it is very minor. Would I prefer that the Ace be elsewhere? Yes. But it is still pulling weight.

[jillybean]

It seems to me that you could be setting up a tap suit for the opponents. Declarer play is my weakest part of the game, what do I know