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Strong NT playing Weak NT

#1 User is offline   Gerben47 

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Posted 2005-January-14, 06:12

Basic system: Precision with 11 - 13 NT, 1♦ can be a doubleton if 14 - 16 balanced.



You open 1♦* , LHO bids 1♥, two passes back to you. Any action?

Probably not, right?

So now you still play 11 - 13 NT but now you play standard 5-card majors. How much more would you need to bid with this hand type?
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Posted 2005-January-14, 06:23

Where have the spades gone? I think the board belongs to the opponents but they would rather play spades than hearts. (I assume 1♠ from RHO would be forcing).
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Posted 2005-January-14, 08:28

1NT, always. Many players will just open this hand 1NT, so why not go with the field?
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Posted 2005-January-14, 09:36

My action would depend from the agreements with p.
Can he bid a negative free bid ?
Do we use 1NT/2C as transfers ?

How light can his negative doubles be ?
Etc etc.

All in all, I am up for 1NT: if we are taught to balance 1NT with 11 hcp (some people even less) when bidding goes 1H-pass-pass-?, I believe it will be hardly wrong to rebid on this hand.
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Posted 2005-January-19, 18:20

i agree with mauro.. partner couln't neg x, he couldn't (or wouldn't) bid spades... rho showed weakness, so i'll give lho a max of 15, pard and rho 5 each... however, i think partner has 5 hearts over there... so i have to decide what he'd do if i double... will he leave it in? will he bid the 1nt?

my only bids are 1nt and double (i doubt i'd pass)... i think i'll double and bid 1nt over 1s, passing anything else...
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Posted 2005-January-19, 18:57

I think you're supposed to pass these hands (in theory) playing a weak NT, although I've often wondered this myself. Playing a strong club, 1N I suppose should show the balanced 14-16; so the real question is if its a sound bid.

But playing 2/1 with a 12-14 NT as I do, 1N here should be 18-19. I think if I have the balanced 15-17 I'm supposed to pass, (unless I double, or rebid diamonds, or whatever).

Double is probably safe playing 2/1 or a strong club, as a conversion to NT should show the 15-17 hand. But this hand gets ugly if I double and LHO competes to 2♥ and pard takes a 2♠ call playing me for length.
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Posted 2005-January-19, 19:39

that's true, phil... then you have a choice between 2nt and pass... but i don't believe pard is busted over there, and i think if lho bid 2♥, pard doubles.. maybe not tho
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