[Fluffy]

Our side vulnerable, match points.
♠63
♥AQ5
♦8753
♣K953


(pass)-1♠-(pass)-1NT!
(pass)-2♣!-(2♥)-??

1NT= f1
2♣ = 3+

[Cascade]

Fluffy, on 2013-June-24, 04:27, said:

Our side vulnerable, match points.
♠63
♥AQ5
♦8753
♣K953


(pass)-1♠-(pass)-1NT!
(pass)-2♣!-(2♥)-??

1NT= f1
2♣ = 3+

If 2♣ were natural this is an auto raise.

The forcing no trump has put you in a poor position to judge. I imagine opener will have three clubs often enough for 3♣ to be too dangerous.

[MrAce]

Why don't we have 2♠ among options ?

There are a lot of 2/1 players who does not play 1M-2M constructive.

[Codo]

MrAce, on 2013-June-24, 04:53, said:

Why don't we have 2♠ among options ?

There are a lot of 2/1 players who does not play 1M-2M constructive.

Maybe because Gonzalo had not had this bid avaiable and want us to decide what to do under these circumstances?

[dake50]

Won't partner make better decisions here than MY GUESS?
I've shown 6-12, having 9 with HAQ over them.
I evaluate a good 9, not a near 12 for a 2Nt bid.
I can pass and let partner get many of these auctions correct.
And take my lumps when he also can only guess.

[JLOGIC]

Codo, on 2013-June-24, 05:05, said:

Maybe because Gonzalo had not had this bid avaiable and want us to decide what to do under these circumstances?

He didn't have a 2S bid available? Did they take it out of his bidding box or something?

[billw55]

I have nothing more to show so I pass. This actually tells partner quite a bit, so hopefully he can make a good decision.

[Fluffy]

I overlooked 2♠ partner will normally think you have 4-7 HCP with 3 spades but it probably won't matter to him.

Its not that it was not avaible, its that this hand was my partner's and he said he had though of 2NT, 3♣ and double but never mentioned 2♠.

[wank]

double.... i've got 2 places to play

[gszes]

We are about a K better than a minimum for our bidding
thus far and a Q short of invitational. Is it a better lie to x
and show more value or pass and have p worry about us
being totally minimum??

At IMPS I think the x carries more weight since we usually
try to bid sketchy games especially vulnerable.

This is MP and we are not overly concerned about missing
game since we have a partner that knows we have a minimal
response or maybe we are sitting waiting for them to reopen
with x so we can pass 2hx. This is a far cry form many other
situations where p needs to be worried about us being
completely broke. The delayed 2h bid allowed us to show
some power I see no need to pretend I am too strong here
since we may all too easily get overboard.

pass

[jdeegan]

Thanks for a really nice problem hand. No one answer stands out imo.

So, who is this player who passes nvul over 1♠ then jumps into my auction over 2♣? Can he/she play or are they just filling out the movement? What is he/she up to? Are they shooting for a top late in the session? I really want to double for penalties, but pard will pass with a lot of minimum hands with a doubleton heart where they make it or go down just one for a poor score for our side.

I'm definitely going to sneak a peek at this intruder and sniff the breeze as well. Pass, 2♠ or even 2NT may be the resulting answer. Viewed in isolation, I am guessing RHO has a ratty six bagger and about 12 HCP. For all I know Kx of hearts may show up on my left. Plus 300. I can taste it and smell it, but that doesn't mean it's there.

[billw55]

jdeegan, on 2013-July-03, 01:36, said:

So, who is this player who passes nvul over 1♠ then jumps into my auction over 2♣? Can he/she play or are they just filling out the movement? What is he/she up to?

I see this a lot in pickup games on BBO, delayed entry at the two level after ops have made two or three bids. Usually it is a weakish 5 card suit. Don't know the setting in this case of course.

[Fluffy]

she had a weak 6-4 in the reds. Partner had ♠KQ10xx ♥xx ♦Ax ♣AQxx

[benlessard]

This is a classic sequence where mainstream negative double are inferior to cooperative doubles. IMO im more likely to have 9-11 pts with 3/4 H than having a classic neg double. This is especially true if you dont play constructive raises wich allow you to bid 2S implying 2254 or similar shapes.

When there no unbid majors at the 2 level look at how often you would have a cooperative double hand vs a takeout double hand.

Anyway with OP methods you have to double because of the extra strenght you expect to make something.

[fromageGB]

I guess as 2♣ showed 3+, then the strength range from opener is pretty wide. I'm doubling for penalty.

In the absence of that 2♥ bid I would bid 2♠ if it did not guarantee a 3 card suit, but haven't a clue what to do on these methods normally. What would the system call be?

[Fluffy]

2♠ would be the normal, with less strength pass is also an alternative to avoid getting higher.