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Pen or ty ??
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Posted 2013-June-20, 10:55
My hand is the 2h bidder
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Posted 2013-June-20, 10:58
I'd say penalty. I'd bid 3♠ with your hand instead of double and probably wouldn't have bid just 2♥ previously.
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
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Posted 2013-June-20, 11:21
I would have bid 3♦ on the previous round.
Having bid 2♥, the double here is odd. How can you have a penalty double of 3♦ but not one of 2♦? I would say that the double is showing a good hand for your previous action (which is certainly true).
Having bid 2♥, the double here is odd. How can you have a penalty double of 3♦ but not one of 2♦? I would say that the double is showing a good hand for your previous action (which is certainly true).
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Posted 2013-June-20, 11:46
As Advancer with 4-4 in the Majors, one bids 2S first ( if you are going to bid a Major ) after partner's DBL .
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Posted 2013-June-20, 13:29
P borrows 7 hcp from our hand to make these level 1/2/3 TOX
so any normal boring 7 count is considered a minimum. Your
hand is only 1 hcp stronger but your distribution is anything but
boring. Assuming you have a trump suit somewhere (odds are
huge that you do) your hand "evaluates" around 12 and should be
treated as game forcing rather than the minimum your initial 2h
bid indicated (with xxx xxxx xxx xxx you have a nice 2h bid now thats
a minimum:). This is important because p may be quite strong
and afaid to do anything if you show them a possible yarboro rather
than the nice holding you have (note that you cannot bid 4d here since
that is normally reserved for 55 in the majors or better).
Artk78 makes the point of bidding 3d which shows invitational or
better power. If p bids 3h/3s 4h/4s we know p has at least 4 cards
in the suit bid. If p cannot bid a major or NT they will have to bid
4d or possibly 4c/5c if they have clubs. Over 4d we have a marvelous
backup plan of 5c which after showing our p 44 in the majors will
pinpoint our dia shortness.
This all starts with proper hand evaluation and knowing what the follow
up bids mean.
so any normal boring 7 count is considered a minimum. Your
hand is only 1 hcp stronger but your distribution is anything but
boring. Assuming you have a trump suit somewhere (odds are
huge that you do) your hand "evaluates" around 12 and should be
treated as game forcing rather than the minimum your initial 2h
bid indicated (with xxx xxxx xxx xxx you have a nice 2h bid now thats
a minimum:). This is important because p may be quite strong
and afaid to do anything if you show them a possible yarboro rather
than the nice holding you have (note that you cannot bid 4d here since
that is normally reserved for 55 in the majors or better).
Artk78 makes the point of bidding 3d which shows invitational or
better power. If p bids 3h/3s 4h/4s we know p has at least 4 cards
in the suit bid. If p cannot bid a major or NT they will have to bid
4d or possibly 4c/5c if they have clubs. Over 4d we have a marvelous
backup plan of 5c which after showing our p 44 in the majors will
pinpoint our dia shortness.
This all starts with proper hand evaluation and knowing what the follow
up bids mean.
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Posted 2013-June-21, 06:04
First of all, general principles. If we have found our fit then subsequent doubles are penalty unless specifically defined otherwise. Here, when partner passes 2♥ we are deemed to have found our fit. As has been pointed out, the 2♥ bid itself was not correct on this hand but that does not detract from the more general question. If you run a search, you can find several threads on defining when a double is something other than takeout.
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