[gszes]

the hog, on 2013-June-07, 23:52, said:

2S is quite normal on this hand. I don't know of anyone apart from Caspar Milquetoast and his brother who might pass. 4S is absurd; just raise to 3.

I have some caspar blood running through me ----p "borrows" 7 hcp from
our hand to make their initial x -- we are not even close to the 7 they
borrowed. This hand was a simple 1s emergency bid if rho had passed--
over 2h we are not even close to finding a bid.

a 2s bid here should promise (at worst 6) to 9. This type of overbidding
causes huge headaches later in the bidding (as witnessed here).

If p cannot compete over 2h nothing will be lost. A 2s bid probably does
nothing but help the opps evaluate their hands better if one of them is short
maybe propelling them to an otherwise unbiddable game.

4s was indeed an overbid opposite "6-9" a 3s bid would have been much
more accurate.

[rhm]

gnasher, on 2013-June-09, 03:28, said:

Being able to make 2♠ or push them higher is a worthy objective at IMPs too. Five IMPs is half a game-swing.

Of course, but if you immediately bid 2♠ with the East hand you will hardly ever end up playing 2♠ or defending 3♥.
East can deduce if opponents want to play 2♥ based on a six card suit, that West must be strong and short in hearts.

It follows that West is unlikely to give up when 2♥ comes round to him.
He will want to push as much as East. That's why East should pass over 2♥.
I understand that patience is rarely practiced in modern bidding. But it does have its reward.

Rainer Herrmann

[aguahombre]

MrAce, on 2013-June-09, 04:22, said:

I would %100 bid 2♠ sitting east. Knowing at least 8 card fit, more likely a 9 card fit, i will compete.

Btw, i prefer bidding them right now ( which promises nothing except than competing) rather than deciding which level to bid them when pd reopens it.Or seeing 2♥ being passed out.
Having said that, i would also bid 4♠ with W hand.

EW made very reasonable bids imo.

This is correct for the auction that occurred. Winstonm and Bill255 (posts 10 & 11) give us the real cause of the disaster.

East's competition with five spades after being invited to compete is indeed what East should have done. However, South's silence over 2S when he started out with game-invitational values and learned of a 9-card fit in hearts created a variance no one else in the room would have to face. West's 4S bid is only reasonable after South's pass; otherwise West would know from the fact that the opponents have more than half the deck that he should only compete to 3S over South's normal 3H bid.

[cherdano]

benlessard, on 2013-June-08, 17:59, said:

I would consider

AQJx
x
Kxxx
Axxx

a nice normal takeout that has a no extras of (1H)--(1Nt)--X

You don't double enough.

[mikl_plkcc]

I simply won't make a free bid without enough points.

[Hanoi5]

I mostly blame East, West was a little exaggerated with getting to 4 so maybe 70-30.