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When (if ever) do you come in?

Poll: When (if ever) do you come in? (19 member(s) have cast votes)

Like the title says.

  1. Over 1D (12 votes [63.16%])

    Percentage of vote: 63.16%

  2. Over 1NT (1 votes [5.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.26%

  3. Reopening over 2H (3 votes [15.79%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.79%

  4. Never (3 votes [15.79%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.79%

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#1 User is offline   Siegmund 

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Posted 2013-May-23, 07:50

Matchpoints, all vul.

♠AQ3
♥2
♦J764
♣KJ962

Partner deals and passes. P-(1♦) to you.
A bit shy of a textbook 2C overcall, but your side may well want to be in the bidding.

If you don't act, the other side's uncontested auction will be

1♦-1♥
1NT-2♥

Those of you who choose option #2 or #3 in the poll, you may further spell out whether you bid or double in the comments.
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Posted 2013-May-23, 08:02

I think this is a standard balancing double.
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Posted 2013-May-23, 08:45

At these colours I might prefer to pass. I'm hoping they go down with hearts stacked in partner's hand vs us playing 2♠ on a 3-3 fit if I double.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2013-May-23, 09:31

I think this is mainly a frequency question: how often do we expect the opponents to be in an 8-card fit in this auction? It we expect a decent fit, then balancing is clearly right. From my experience, the answer to this question is based on the opponents bidding particulars. Do they rebid 2H with 5 or is it a guaranteed 6? Does opener frequently rebid 1N with a singleton in partner's bid suit?

Both opponents have shown limited values, so the question is fits.

PS: I screwed up the poll by voting never because I misread the auction the first time. My poll answer would be: I don't have enough information at this point except to eliminate answers. I would not bid over 1H or 1N, but I might bid over 2H.
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Posted 2013-May-23, 11:55

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Posted 2013-May-23, 12:11

I always bid 2♣ over 1♦ if it's close - an excellent way to give the opps a chance to end up in the wrong strain. Here we see an added bonus in that the bid solves another problem later in the auction.
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Posted 2013-May-23, 13:48

I also bid 2♣.
If I balance a double over 2♥ then I will play in 2♠ opposite ♠7xxx ♥KQx ♦xx ♣Axxx, probably off when 3♣ has a decent shot.
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Posted 2013-May-23, 14:58

View Postbroze, on 2013-May-23, 12:11, said:

I always bid 2♣ over 1♦ if it's close - an excellent way to give the opps a chance to end up in the wrong strain.


Catch a negative double on a 4-3 hand, medium values and a 2♥ response from opener on a 4-4 and they are in jail.

Not that this happens often but it never happens if you don't bid 2♣ and other good things can happen including setting the defence.
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Posted 2013-May-24, 02:14

Over 1♦ i pass, i am very badly placed if pd bids 2♥ over my 2♣. Which is very likely.

Over 1NT i pass, i am not annoyed to defend 1 NT when they are vuln.

Over 2♥ i double, this DBL the way i play bans pd from bidding spades with less than 4 card (or i would balance with 2 ♠)
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Posted 2013-May-24, 03:05

Timo, I do not get it. Which hand do you fear, where partner will bid 2 ♥ over 2 ♣?
If my partner bids here, he has a reason: A good hand in his passed hand context or club support. In both cases, I can find a playable spot sometimes in 2 NT often in 3 ♣.

The downside in 2 ♣ is that they will usually still find their heart fit and sometimes a bad penalty. But I would still choose it and it is not close.
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