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12 reds critique from the kibs

Poll: 12 reds (28 member(s) have cast votes)

I disagree with

  1. opening 1D (3 votes [6.98%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.98%

  2. reversing into 2H (8 votes [18.60%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 18.60%

  3. bidding 3H over the penalty double (10 votes [23.26%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 23.26%

  4. 4D (2 votes [4.65%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 4.65%

  5. the final pass (5 votes [11.63%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 11.63%

  6. Nothing. (15 votes [34.88%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 34.88%

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#1 User is offline   CSGibson 

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Posted 2013-May-21, 15:47



I wanted to present a different poll format - I recently was part of an auction (playing 2/1) where I felt like every single call that south made was potentially questionable, so I wanted to put it out there as an atypical format - what calls do you disagree with & why, not knowing the result on the actual hand? Multiple selections are possible.

A note about the bidding: North's X is penalty oriented.
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Posted 2013-May-21, 15:51

South did fine. I have a strong suspicion that I disagree with one of the three opponent's bidding, though.
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Posted 2013-May-21, 16:06

I think the worst call was the 3H bid after the penalty double (I prefer 3D). The 2H bid is also arguable, but neither is dreadful.
1D and 4D seem normal, as does the final pass. But I doubt I agree with partner's 4S bid.
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Posted 2013-May-21, 16:46

This hand has enormous potential and both suits can usually be shown even in preemptive environments
if instead of 1d we choose to open



1H



Yes indeed the dia are longer and stronger but this hand while a powerhouse offensively is decidedly weak
on defensive values and opening this hand 1d will make describing this hand very difficult at best. Choosing
1h will leave us with a lot of way of bidding this hand. If the bidding goes something like 1h p 1s we need
to worry about a misfit and tone down our response with a simple 2d. Pretty much any other bidding
sequence and we will have no tribble at all describing this monster. If the opps preempt we can still
bid 5d with a pretty good degree of safety all the way to 5d.



OK now with the actual bidding stuck with a 1d opener I think we need to be a tad more cautious with
our response over 1s due to a possible misfit a simple 2d rebid does not do justice to this hand but
we will most likely not miss game and the x to our left makes the hearts a bit less appealing.


Stuck with 2h we need to pull the 3c x because p thinks we are strong (reverse). A 3h continuation
does indeed show 56 but it aims for a contract (4h) that no longer looks that great at the expense
of further emphasizing our wonderful 7 card dia suit. 3d would go a long way toward steering us
toward dia or nt and we can even live with 4s once we have gotten our dia emphasis out of the
way.

Stuck with 3h over p 3s I am in a miserable position. We are afraid to consider 3n since we overbid
with our reverse and now we are beginning to fear a misfit. A 4d bid makes it seem like we are
slamming in the reds (a good reason to pull 3c x) and we are afraid to bid 5d with a misfit looming.
If we cannot force ourselves to bid 3n we are probably best off biting the bullet and bidding 5d now
more as a way of really really really emphasizing our diamonds (finally) but also trying our best to
preclude a 4s bid from p. We do not want the opps to know we are running from 4s to 5d out of
fear and have them x us all over the place.


I see on the poll i managed to not check 4d as a bad bid please correct that error for me:)
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Posted 2013-May-21, 17:54

sorry, can't assign the blame until I see the full hand.
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Posted 2013-May-21, 18:04

View PostCSGibson, on 2013-May-21, 15:47, said:



I wanted to present a different poll format - I recently was part of an auction (playing 2/1) where I felt like every single call that south made was potentially questionable, so I wanted to put it out there as an atypical format - what calls do you disagree with & why, not knowing the result on the actual hand? Multiple selections are possible. A note about the bidding: North's X is penalty oriented.
IMO...
  • 1 = 10, 1 = 5 (Suppressing a seven card suit seems wrong).
  • 2 = 10, 2 = 7 (Lots of playing strength).
  • 3 = 10, 3 = 9, Pass = 7. (Frances could be right here).
  • 4 = 10, Pass = 9 (Maybe you should pass before you're doubled).
  • Pass = 10, 5 = 2 (The clearest choice).

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Posted 2013-May-21, 20:29

You have the red and your partner has the black,so you should pass the penalty after 3C.
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Posted 2013-May-22, 02:39

I had bid the hand as you did, but it hadbeen very close to sit for the penalty. But how often do you hold a 7/5 hand, so I had copied your way of bidding.
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Posted 2013-May-22, 09:15

View PostFrancesHinden, on 2013-May-21, 16:06, said:

I think the worst call was the 3H bid after the penalty double (I prefer 3D). The 2H bid is also arguable, but neither is dreadful.
1D and 4D seem normal, as does the final pass. But I doubt I agree with partner's 4S bid.


I agree with this in that my pard is not shy about bidding 3 over 3 with 3 pieces and suitable hands such as pump protection in the blacks and/or very short diamonds. This route would likely make a 4 bid after and if we get to 4 criminal.
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Posted 2013-May-22, 17:38

1D,then 2H, then 3H shows six diamonds and five hearts.
Over 4S, I would bid 5D.
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Posted 2013-May-22, 18:56

View PostLord Molyb, on 2013-May-21, 17:54, said:

sorry, can't assign the blame until I see the full hand.
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Posted 2013-June-08, 12:42

I think South's bidding was fine. I would have bid 3D instead of 3H, but both are reasonable.

Partner's bidding, though, boggles the mind. What hand can bid 4S opposite a known void but also be willing to play 3CX?
If no one comes from the future to stop you from doing it then how bad a decision could it really be?
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Posted 2013-June-08, 17:22

View Postthe_dude, on 2013-June-08, 12:42, said:

I think South's bidding was fine. I would have bid 3D instead of 3H, but both are reasonable.

Partner's bidding, though, boggles the mind. What hand can bid 4S opposite a known void but also be willing to play 3CX?

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Posted 2013-June-09, 14:26

Without resulting I think you should pass 3C doubled.

West made a double and bid 3C over your reverse ! So unless hes crazy it doesnt take a genius to know that your reverse is based on a 56 and not on pts. Partner should be well aware of this when he double 3C.

If i dont pass 3C the rest of south bid is good.
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