[jillybean]

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No knowledge of partners preempt style, no namyats or anything fancy.
Does it matter?

[Codo]

I would give it a try. If partner has xxx,QJTxxxxx,x,x we will still make 5 and this does not look like a usual 1 seat red preempt to me...

[inquiry]

We are red versus white, so I would be disappointed if 6♥ doesn't make, so I will bid 6♥ (assuming partner is one that pays attention to the vulnerability), I guess you could use blackwood if you want to be sure.

[aguahombre]

Change subtitle to first slam with this partner.

She is allowed to have the spade bullet and AQJTXXX, am wooding for the grand.

[JLOGIC]

No it doesn't matter, just ask for keycards.

[billw55]

aguahombre, on 2013-May-05, 11:26, said:

Change subtitle to first slam with this partner.

She is allowed to have the spade bullet and AQJTXXX, am wooding for the grand.

Hard to imagine preempting with that. 1♥ seems 100% normal. I think holding neither ace is more likely than holding both .. which of course is also good reason to keycard.

[hrothgar]

jillybean, on 2013-May-05, 09:44, said:

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No knowledge of partners preempt style, no namyats or anything fancy.
Does it matter?

Originally, I thought to bid 5♥, asking partner to bid with good trump; however, I think Keycard is better.

You can get to slam if partner has the Ace of Spades, but not the Ace of Hearts
If partner has two bullets and the queen, you get the grand

[aguahombre]

billw55, on 2013-May-05, 15:49, said:

Hard to imagine preempting with that. 1♥ seems 100% normal. I think holding neither ace is more likely than holding both .. which of course is also good reason to keycard.

Unless of course you wanted to describe a 7-trick hand. They have no agreement other than being able to read the vulnerability. With 7 sure tricks, no quacks, and a seven card major, the last thing I would want to do is open 1M.

[JLOGIC]

Lets just make it mroe reasonable, surely Ax AJT9xxxx x xx is not too crazy of a preempt. Or Ax AT9xxxxxx x x. Whatever, it doesn't matter, as others have noted it's possible but improbable that partner has 0 KC (x QJTxxxxxxx x x, KQx QJTxxxxx x x etc), or 2. We are almost always getting to 6H but it can't hurt to check, if partner happens to surprise us and show 2 we can bid 7 and if partner surprises us and has 0 we can sign off. It's the kind of hand that ace asking was made for.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

you basically need only A to 7, to make is worthwhile, the odds are heavily in favor that partner happens to hold this card.
If you dont want to blast to 6H, go via 4NT.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[billw55]

aguahombre, on 2013-May-05, 16:28, said:

Unless of course you wanted to describe a 7-trick hand. They have no agreement other than being able to read the vulnerability. With 7 sure tricks, no quacks, and a seven card major, the last thing I would want to do is open 1M.

Let me see if I understand you correctly. You hold (say) ♠Ax ♥AQJTxxx ♦xxx ♣x. First seat, red on white, you are saying the last thing you want to bid is 1♥? If that is correct, what do you bid?

[aguahombre]

billw55, on 2013-May-06, 06:17, said:

Let me see if I understand you correctly. You hold (say) ♠Ax ♥AQJTxxx ♦xxx ♣x. First seat, red on white, you are saying the last thing you want to bid is 1♥? If that is correct, what do you bid?

4H. Showing 7 tricks for hearts, six or seven of them in the heart suit. Partner woods and bids 7 with the OP hand. For us, the time for random arrays in our 4H opening is when partner has passed. One trick less than NAMYATS, which we use to show 8 real tricks --7 or 8 of them in the suit.

[ArtK78]

Just adding my voice to the keycard camp. 5♥ rates to be safe (not 100%, but close). Depending on the response, we will bid 5♥, 6♥ or 7NT (if partner has both major suit aces, 7NT is better than 7♥).

[gszes]

ArtK78, on 2013-May-06, 07:55, said:

Just adding my voice to the keycard camp. 5♥ rates to be safe (not 100%, but close). Depending on the response, we will bid 5♥, 6♥ or 7NT (if partner has both major suit aces, 7NT is better than 7♥).

If this is MP 7n is better than 7h but if its IMPS I cant imagine a hand where 7N is "better" than 7h
and anytime 7h is going down 7n can go down a ton more:))))))))))))))))))))

BTW 4n for me also ALWAYS CHECK when you can. Blackwood was designed to keep partnerships out of
poor slams and it is used properly here.

[ArtK78]

gszes, on 2013-May-06, 11:10, said:

If this is MP 7n is better than 7h but if its IMPS I cant imagine a hand where 7N is "better" than 7h
and anytime 7h is going down 7n can go down a ton more:))))))))))))))))))))

BTW 4n for me also ALWAYS CHECK when you can. Blackwood was designed to keep partnerships out of
poor slams and it is used properly here.

There are no opening ruffs against 7NT, and it is hard to construct a hand where 7NT goes down when partner has a vul 4♥ opening with both major suit aces.