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#21 User is online   mikeh 

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Posted 2013-April-24, 17:15

I confess that I don't understand the methods said to be in use. Are we to assume that responder can never find a club fit with 5=5 major and clubs with less than slam going values? Seems insane to me: we have to either suppress the club suit and commit to a 5-2 heart fit, with perhaps dubious trump, or suppress the club suit and offer 3N, when the opps may be running a side suit with us cold for 5. Imagine opener's hand opposite say Kx KQxxx x Jxxxx: do we have any method of finding the cold 5as opposed to the hopeless 3N? And finding hearts 4-2 with the Ace over the KQ makes 4 hopeless as well.

Make it Kx AQxxx x Jxxxx and now I'd rather be in a club slam than 3N, yet responder's hand is by no means a slam try opposite the vast majority of opening 1N hands.

Having got the rant off my chest, I bid 6 since I cannot construct a 'slammish' hand on which we don't have play, and most of the ones that sprang to mind are close to frigid.
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Posted 2013-April-24, 17:59

View Postpaulg, on 2013-April-24, 11:26, said:

I move when partner is making slam tries and I hold AKQ in his suit.


That sounds like a reasonable approach to me.
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Posted 2013-April-24, 18:25

4 shows, of all things, a hand that wants to play in 4. Yes, partner has to have at least a mild slam try, otherwise he would just have insisted on heart, but he can be turned off by spade values. What about?

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AKJxxx
Qx
JT9xx

He might have the same hand with the diamond king instead, so I bid 4NT, DI for clubs. If you don't play that, obviously you should bid 4 to beg for a diamond control.
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Posted 2013-April-25, 02:16

I think the obvious bid here is 4, which must surely show further interest, really good spades (and clubs) and no diamond control within the context of the methods employed.
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Posted 2013-April-25, 02:22

View PostZelandakh, on 2013-April-25, 02:16, said:

I think the obvious bid here is 4, which must surely show further interest, really good spades (and clubs) and no diamond control within the context of the methods employed.

This was my feeling too
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