[bridgeboy]

Matchpoints , Vul against Not

You hold

KQJ4
QJ7
K109
654

playing strong NTs,

RHO pass, so do you and your LHO. In fourth seat, your p open 1D (3+)

Your bid?

If you respond 1S your p will rebid 1NT, your bid then?

[joker_gib]

I never pass 12HCP !

[mr1303]

Cannot for the life of me work out why I passed first time round, but if there were two attractive females as opposition who had distracted me (this happened once at YC when I passed a perfectly good 12 count) and I did pass, then I bid 1S and rebid 3NT on my second go, to try and catch up.

[Free]

If you really hold yourself to the rule of passing with more than 7 losers, or apply the "rule of 20", this is a clear pass. Many people don't play it this way, but some do, so there might be a reason to pass this hand.

Having said this, if you passed, I bid 1♠ and rebid 3NT.

[flytoox]

I think opener's rebid of 1N should show more than dead min, so I raise to 3N. The point is that if opener has dead min, he should pass my 1S. If his hand cannot pass 1S and it is dead min then he shoudl not open.

[inquiry]

Pass initially with this hand is fine, and I do open light as a rule.

Over 1NT here, you need to know only one thing. Will your partner open with a balanced 11 count in fourth chair? Especially with only 3 spades (pearson point of only 14). If the answer is no, then bid 3NT.

Here is an idea if you play xyz, you could bid a game forcing 2♦ suggesting that you passed an opening hand. If your partner bids only 2NT you pass, if he bids, as I suspect, 2♥ you can bid 2NT giving him a chance to pass the game forcing auction knowing you are better than if you had bid 2♣ followed by 2NT. But really, I assume your partner has more than 11 and probably more than 12 so you want to be in game. Sure it might not make, but 12 opposite 12 or more has great chances.

Ben

[HeartA]

flytoox, on Dec 24 2004, 08:12 AM, said:

I think opener's rebid of 1N should show more than dead min, so I raise to 3N. The point is that if opener has dead min, he should pass my 1S. If his hand cannot pass 1S and it is dead min then he shoudl not open.

Agree with flytoox.

[Flame]

Initial pass is fine but i prefer to open , imo this is good enough.
I dont understnd those two answers, direct 1nt and direct 2nt, what is this, we didnt find an ace or something. after the 1nt if partner is aware of the rule or 15 ill bid 3nt, iif he doesnt or he is normaly an overbidder or he is a begginer id bid 2nt.

[luke warm]

what's wrong with bidding 2nt now? isn't that what you have?

[pclayton]

Lots dont play xyz by an unpassed hand (hard to picture a GF). We just play old fashioned NMF.

This is a CLEAR pass in the first place, unless I'm playing a mini NT. The intermediates tell me that a 12-14 NT is OK.

What do over pard's 1N rebid isn't hard either - its a clear invite; whether that be 2♣ or 2N.

[joker_gib]

pclayton, on Dec 24 2004, 01:26 PM, said:

This is a CLEAR pass in the first place

You have 12 HCP and K109 in ♦

I know I don't have an ace but, sorry, Phil, I can't pass that hand !

This is a CLEAR opening


Alain

[luke warm]

i'd open the hand 1nt if possible else pass... this hand hasn't enough offense and has too much defense imo...

[cnszsun]

I open all 13+HCP hands, for those less than 13HCP, i count ZAR points, so i will pass this one. No matter what your style is, it must be open to your partner.
After 1nt from partner, 3nt is clear imo.

[cf_John0]

Free, on Dec 24 2004, 07:33 AM, said:

Having said this, if you passed, I bid 1♠ and rebid 3NT.

... , I bid 2NT.

[Free]

Imo some people don't realise they shouldn't open in 4th seat with garbage, and so should your partner. Even if he opened on garbage, he should pass your response with 3+ ♠s, and with shorter ♠s it's again suicide to open.

So after a 4th seat opener and a 1NT rebid, your partner has a solid opening. Draw your conclusions: 2NT is wrong!

[Fluffy]

Be consistent with yourself, if you don´t hjave opening on last round you don´t have it now, make a limit bid, either 1♠ first followed by a limit call or 2NT directly.

[civill]

bridgeboy, on Dec 24 2004, 05:30 AM, said:

If you respond 1S your p will rebid 1NT, your bid then?

Then only 3NT to bid!

[joker_gib]

Fluffy, on Dec 28 2004, 03:16 PM, said:

Be consistent with yourself, if you don´t hjave opening on last round you don´t have it now, make a limit bid, either 1♠ first followed by a limit call or 2NT directly.

Totally agree !

[Free]

Bridgeboy, could you give us the history of this hand plz?

[bridgeboy]

Hi.. I was waiting for the votes to be finalised but since I was requested....


I think the final count shows players favouring a 3NT after 1S bid. At the table as long as you do not sign off in 1nt.. you should get to 3NT which is around 40 to 50%.

Partner held: xx AKxx Jxxx AJx

I was interested to see if players would upgrade their 'non-opening' into a GF hand when p didn't really bid anything to improve their hand. It turns out to be so. I personally chose 2NT after 1S but gave partner some agonising moments whether to accept. I certainly would not fault him for passing 2nt

Comments welcomed.. thanks