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Posted 2013-February-16, 05:25



4 is natural and bid by me, one of the more aggressive preempters in the room. What do you bid, and do you think the decision is close ?
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Posted 2013-February-16, 05:44

4 - Must act (not close). Double not appropriate. 4N (2P2P) seems wrong on tricks/strength/shape.
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Posted 2013-February-16, 09:45

at this vul i'm happy to go for my best chance of a plus score which is pass.
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Posted 2013-February-16, 10:23

View Postwank, on 2013-February-16, 09:45, said:

at this vul i'm happy to go for my best chance of a plus score which is pass.

Agree, but doubt our Pass will be the majority choice.
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Posted 2013-February-16, 16:46

I'd try 4
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Posted 2013-February-16, 20:08

4 seems pretty straightforward. Not even close.
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Posted 2013-February-17, 00:08

4

If it goes for a bundle, that's life -- the preempt worked.

With a decent 16 count and a decent 5 card suit, I've got too much not to act.
Give opener something like 8 or 9 HCP and that leaves 15 or 16 HCP between the two passed hands. If they're split fairly evenly, we're likely to hold 23 or 24 total HCPs between us and game may be close.

If worse comes to worse, I'd think it would be easier to explain an aggressive call, then trying to rationalize why we missed a lay down game.
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Posted 2013-February-17, 03:35

4 was bid at our table. The passers win (or at least lose 1 IMP rather than 6) on this occasion. Partner's hand is AJxxx, xx, 109xxx, x, RHO has a weak no trump, spades and hearts are 4-2 so the last making spot is 4 which you're not going to find although my team mates did on a slower auction.
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Posted 2013-February-17, 04:02

Pass. The obvious call.
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Posted 2013-February-17, 04:07

Pass please. There's a difference between suggesting a trump suit on the 3- and 4-levels.
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Posted 2013-February-17, 04:33

I would sooner double than pass, how did 4 from the bad side do?
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Posted 2013-February-17, 05:13

View PostFluffy, on 2013-February-17, 04:33, said:

I would sooner double than pass, how did 4 from the bad side do?

-1 rather than 4 which was -2. Basically there's a loser in each suit with xx, xx, K, QJ109xxxx/Qxxx, AJ10x, Qxx, Ax as the opps hands.
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Posted 2013-February-17, 19:55

Should be doubled as well. 4H on this suit is the height of absurdity.
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Posted 2013-February-18, 07:27

View Postthe hog, on 2013-February-17, 19:55, said:

Should be doubled as well. 4H on this suit is the height of absurdity matchpoints.

Got out my thesaurus and fixed your post ;)

I pass at IMPs though.
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Posted 2013-February-18, 07:30

View Postbillw55, on 2013-February-18, 07:27, said:

Got out my thesaurus and fixed your post ;)

I pass at IMPs though.


I would pass at matchpoints and bid 4 at IMPs.

I think 4 will make less that half the time, and 4 will usually fail. But I think the dangers of going for a penalty are exaggerated, so I will gamble for the game bonus at teams.
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