[Poky]

IMP. Favorable.

pass-pass-???

♠976xx
♥J10x
♦Q9xx
♣x

What do you open and why?

[cf_John0]

I‘ll pass unless in "wos"!

[joker_gib]

Euh....., I think I will pass !

That's really weak but sometimes as it is favorable (depends on opps, state of the match) I would maybe open 2♣, showing both majors weak in my system !

[pbleighton]

With a pickup pd, I pass.

With my regular pd, 2S.

Peter

[Free]

Clear 1NT

[Chamaco]

Free, on Dec 28 2004, 11:14 AM, said:

Clear 1NT

The 1NT psyche is not allowed in Italy in most tourneys except top-level flights.

According to such rules (which I do not agreee upon, but I won't open the Pandora box here), 1NT bid should guarantee a range within 2 hcp deviation of the announced range AND in any case to open a hand at 1 level, a player should have at least 8 hcp.

[Chamaco]

Poky, on Dec 28 2004, 08:09 AM, said:

What do you open and why?

I pass, even 3rd seat, white vs red.

[flytoox]

Pass.

[hrothgar]

To some extent the choice of bids depends on Partner's opening style in first seat and the Opponents opening style in second...

LHO looks to be sitting on a big hand. There may be some benefits to trying to convince LHO that you hold some of the High Cards sitting in RHO's hand or partner's.

As I have noted before, I think that it is a mistake to be "predictable". Accordingly, I don't think that there is a single bid that must be chosen if you want to generate some action.

I'd randomize across the follow set of bids with (roughly) the following percentages:

Pass = 45%
1♦ = 10%
1♥ = 5%
1♠ = 10%
1N = 5%
2♦ = 15%
2♠= 10%

Note that I am most likely to pass. If I am going to try to generate some action, I'm most likely to bid 2♦

[Free]

Chamaco, on Dec 28 2004, 03:11 PM, said:

Free, on Dec 28 2004, 11:14 AM, said:

Clear 1NT 

The 1NT psyche is not allowed in Italy in most tourneys except top-level flights.

According to such rules (which I do not agreee upon, but I won't open the Pandora box here), 1NT bid should guarantee a range within 2 hcp deviation of the announced range AND in any case to open a hand at 1 level, a player should have at least 8 hcp.

I don't care what the rules are in Italy, USA, or whatever other country that I don't play in. Poky didn't specify a country, didn't specify rules,...

Here in Belgium, psychs are allowed (like in the WBF rules)

[Free]

hrothgar, on Dec 28 2004, 03:43 PM, said:

To some extent the choice of bids depends on Partner's opening style in first seat and the Opponents opening style in second...

LHO looks to be sitting on a big hand. There may be some benefits to trying to convince LHO that you hold some of the High Cards sitting in RHO's hand or partner's.

As I have noted before, I think that it is a mistake to be "predictable". Accordingly, I don't think that there is a single bid that must be chosen if you want to generate some action.

I'd randomize across the follow set of bids with (roughly) the following percentages:

Pass = 45%
1♦ = 10%
1♥ = 5%
1♠ = 10%
1N = 5%
2♦ = 15%
2♠= 10%

Note that I am most likely to pass. If I am going to try to generate some action, I'm most likely to bid 2♦

What's a 2♦ opener for you? Multi?

[Chamaco]

Free, on Dec 28 2004, 02:44 PM, said:

I don't care what the rules are in Italy, USA, or whatever other country that I don't play in. Poky didn't specify a country, didn't specify rules,...

Here in Belgium, psychs are allowed (like in the WBF rules)

Sorry Free, did not mean to be annoying, only to warn that there will be some tourneys - on BBO too - where the TD will apply such rules (which, as I said, I disagree with), and you might be penalized for using such tactics.

[hrothgar]

Free, on Dec 28 2004, 05:45 PM, said:

hrothgar, on Dec 28 2004, 03:43 PM, said:

To some extent the choice of bids depends on Partner's opening style in first seat and the Opponents opening style in second...

LHO looks to be sitting on a big hand.  There may be some benefits to trying to convince LHO that you hold some of the High Cards sitting in RHO's hand or partner's.

As I have noted before, I think that it is a mistake to be "predictable".  Accordingly, I don't think that there is a single bid that must be chosen if you want to generate some action.

I'd randomize across the follow set of bids with (roughly) the following percentages:

Pass = 45%
1♦ = 10%
1♥ = 5%
1♠ = 10%
1N = 5%
2♦ = 15%
2♠= 10%

Note that I am most likely to pass.  If I am going to try to generate some action, I'm most likely to bid 2♦

What's a 2♦ opener for you? Multi?

When I suggested a 2♦ opening, it was in the context of a natural weak 2♦ opening.

[Cascade]

Chamaco, on Dec 29 2004, 03:11 AM, said:

Free, on Dec 28 2004, 11:14 AM, said:

Clear 1NT 

The 1NT psyche is not allowed in Italy in most tourneys except top-level flights.

According to such rules (which I do not agreee upon, but I won't open the Pandora box here), 1NT bid should guarantee a range within 2 hcp deviation of the announced range AND in any case to open a hand at 1 level, a player should have at least 8 hcp.

Psychic bids are legal everywhere. They are specifically mentioned in the laws where players are given the right to make psychic bids. Sponsoring Organizations have no authority to over rule the laws.

What is illegal is a conceal partnership understanding. If the psychic is conceal or protected by a partnership understanding then it might be illegal.

[Chamaco]

Cascade, on Dec 28 2004, 07:40 PM, said:

Psychic bids are legal everywhere.  They are specifically mentioned in the laws where players are given the right to make psychic bids.  Sponsoring Organizations have no authority to over rule the laws.

What is illegal is a conceal partnership understanding.  If the psychic is conceal or protected by a partnership understanding then it might be illegal.

Wayne, there are specific psyches not allowed at all by the FIGB in mid-low flights, *even if you do not have pship agreements*.

not that I am proud of this...

And what's more, I know some BBO players who are also TDs who will enforce such rules, so it is just a warning...


In any case I will post the link, but the section of these rules is in Italian.

[civill]

flytoox, on Dec 28 2004, 09:16 AM, said:

Pass.

Me too!

[the hog]

I cannot understand a 1NT opening on this hand - this seems like a futile psyche. I can understand a 1S opening or better still a 1D or 3S opening.

Given the fact that your partner is likely to be on lead, 1D at least has some lead directional value. A D lead is unlikely to cost and may in fact be a huge winner if pd has a D honor and an outside card.

A 1NT bid on the other hand is likely to lead to possible confusion from partner and very likely a double of any opponent's contract. One thing you learn after playing a few years is that just because you have garbage
1) does not mean that your pd did not have just below an opening bid
2) does not mean that the opponents are gong to bid a slam. Opening 1N gives them 2 bites at the proverbial cherry. It is hardly "clear cut".

Fwiw I would pass; if hoping to generate some action, 1D is best.

[Chamaco]

Cascade, on Dec 28 2004, 07:40 PM, said:

Psychic bids are legal everywhere.  They are specifically mentioned in the laws where players are given the right to make psychic bids.  Sponsoring Organizations have no authority to over rule the laws.

What is illegal is a conceal partnership understanding.  If the psychic is conceal or protected by a partnership understanding then it might be illegal.

Wayne, here is the part of the italian rules I referred to:
http://www.federbridge.it/Regolamenti/doc/...einterventi.pdf

I will translate here some parts of it, from the 1st page and 2nd page.

As you can see, the italian rules specifically forbid some kinds of psyche, even if pard is unaware of it.
Of course this applies in mid-low flight tourneys, but that's the way it is.

I repeat here, I am not proud of this but I feel you should know this if you are ever going to play in a BBO (or live) tourney directed by an italian TD, or against an italian player who will call the TD for what he thinks being an illegal psyche.

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PAGE 1
Aperture & Interventi Consentiti

APERTURE NATURALI

1 a colore
Punteggio minimo: 8 p.o.
Numero minimo di carte: a) nel nobile 4
b ) nel minore 3
Psichica di lunghezza permessa: SI Minimo carte ammesse: 0
Psichica di punteggio permessa: SI Minimo punti ammessi: 8
Punti di differenza da quanto promesso: indifferenti
L’apertura da sistema in un seme nobile III è considerata Brown Sticker
Da pre-allertare quando da sistema la forza minima è compresa tra 8/10 p.o.


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PAGE 2

APERTURE A SENZA ATOUT
Le aperture a Senza Atout vengono trattate con le limitazioni previste per le
aperture convenzionali

1 Senza Atout
Punteggio minimo: 8 p.o.
Distribuzioni ammesse: a. 4.3.3.3 - b. 4.4.3.2 - c. 5.3.3.2 - d. 4.4.4.1 - e.
5.4.3.1 * - f. 5.4.2.2. * - g. 6.3.2.2 * - h. 6.3.3.1 *
Distribuzioni descrivibili: a. b. c. d.
* Il sistema adottato deve comunque possedere altre aperture che
comprendano le mani con distribuzioni non descrivibili nello sviluppo
dell’apertura 1 Senza Atout
Psichica di punteggio permessa: SI Solo con 8 p.o. minimo e max +/- 3
p.o. di differenza da quanto promesso
Da pre-allertare quando:
- Ha un punteggio minore di 11 p.o.
Da allertare quando:
- Ha un punteggio minore di 12 p.o.

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TRANSLATION

PAGE 1
Openings and overcalls allowed

NATURAL OPENINGS

1 of a suit
Min hcp: 8 hcp
Min number of cards: a) 4 if major opening
3 in a minor
Leghth psyche allowed : YES Minimum cards required in the suit bid(for the psyche to be legal): 0
HCP psyche allowed : YES Minimum hcp required (for the psyche to be legal): 8
Maximum allowed deviation from the promised hcp range: indifferent
System Openings in a major with 3 cards is considered Brown Sticker
System openings with 8-10 hcp have to be prealerted


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PAGE 2

NT openings
No trump openings are subjected to the same limitations of conventional openings

1 NT
Min hcp: 8 p.o.
Allowed shapes: a. 4.3.3.3 - b. 4.4.3.2 - c. 5.3.3.2 - d. 4.4.4.1 - e.
5.4.3.1 * - f. 5.4.2.2. * - g. 6.3.2.2 * - h. 6.3.3.1 *
Shape that can be described by system: a. b. c. d.
* The adopted system MUST anyway include other openings which include the hands not describeable by the 1NT opening development
HCP psyche allowed : YES BUT ONLY WITH AT LEAST 8+hcp and within 3 hcp deviation from min/max promised range
Prealert system openings with :
- < 11 hcp.
Alert 1NT openers with :
- < 12 hcp

[firechief]

I'm a big supporter of psychic notrump openers in general. What might seem futile to some can produce fantastic results. The reason is that many people don't play penalty doubles of a strong 1nt opener. So you should psyche 1nt more often to take advantage of their methods. I would open 1nt and like it. I always like psyching 1nt...it's fun If partner bids stayman, I'll show my spades. If partner transfers to a major, I'll accept.
Joel

[Winstonm]

If you put a gun to my head and made me open, I'd open 1D; partner is marked with a few cards on this hand and will likely have a tough lead problem. Bidding 1D may get him off to a lead of a Diamond from KJxx, KJx, K10x(x) or AJx(x) when Kxx is in dummy.