[whereagles]

Vuln, you hold

♠ AKx
♥ AQ
♦ AK8xxx
♣ Ax

You pard
2♣...2♦ (artificial, 0-2 controls)
??

Options:
3♦, game-forcing
2NT, good 22 to 24. Non-forcing
3NT, 25-27. Non-forcing.

What is your rebid?

[cnszsun]

2NT is out because i want to game with this hand. Between 3nt and 3d, i hope 3d is more flexible, anyway that's my choice.

[flytoox]

3D, hope pd can raise.

[pclayton]

3♦ - This is a nice dummy (!) for ♠ too.

[Free]

2NT

[hrothgar]

3NT seems clear

[Fluffy]

3NT, otherwise partner will think I have a normal 3NT rebid (Solid minor and a some outside aces/kings) when I do it next round.

[cf_John0]

3D!

[joker_gib]

In french standard, this is a 2♦ FG opening !

2♦ 2♥
2NT

FG, bal, 24-25

Don't like 3♦ because the hand is closer to a balanced one and 2NT allows Puppet continuation.

[whereagles]

Thanks all. Hands were

Scoring: IMP

West East
2♣...2♦
3NT...pass

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I opted for a 3NT rebid. Pard didn't think he was worth a raise to 4NT (or a 4♣ baron), and a slam was missed. 6 is cold, and even 7 has a lot of chances. Do you think pard owed me a raise?

Incidently, rebidding 3♦ probably wouldn't have fared better, as pard is likely to bid a simple 3NT.

[luke warm]

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Do you think pard owed me a raise?

my personal choice would be to raise, yes

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Incidently, rebidding 3♦ probably wouldn't have fared better, as pard is likely to bid a simple 3NT.

which doesn't matter one bit, right? the question is, which is the best bid with this hand *most* of the time?

[the hog]

Quote from Hrothgar
"3NT seems clear"

Yea verily, a Daniel come to judgement. Anything else is absurd.

[Fluffy]

Another perfectfitting hand?, I'll keep missing these slams, and I don´t care.

[Free]

Fluffy, on Dec 21 2004, 12:46 PM, said:

Another perfectfitting hand?, I'll keep missing these slams, and I don´t care.

Another reason to play relay systems

[joker_gib]

Fluffy, on Dec 21 2004, 06:46 AM, said:

Another perfectfitting hand?, I'll keep missing these slams, and I don´t care.

Agree I will miss them too and I also don't care, lol

[pclayton]

2N or 3N could work out OK, but its hard to see how 3♦ can't. System wasn't discussed, but I assume we are in a force through 2N, 3 major or 4 minor (thats how I play anyway).

If I try 3N; is pard really going to convert to 4♠ on xxxxxx, Qxxxx or even xxxxx?

If I choose 2N (by the way, K & R calls this 25.8, so 2N is a BIG underbid), our trick taking ability is predicated on pard's diamond length; something he cannot possibly know.

A yarb with 3 diamonds makes 3N decent and a 4th diamond makes it gin. Yes, a doubleton diamond and a little heart length still make 3N OK. Its the stiff diamond and 5 spades that worries me.

It would be nice to know if 3♥ is a double negative over 3♦, even playing controls.

Whereeagles didn't specify form of scoring, but I think any #of NT at IMPs is a big mistake. At MPs, I might just join the lemmings jumping off the cliff in 3N where 7♠ is possible opposite: Qxxxx, xxx, xx, xxx.

[hrothgar]

The_Hog, on Dec 21 2004, 02:00 PM, said:

Quote from Hrothgar
"3NT seems clear"

Yea verily, a Daniel come to judgement. Anything else is absurd.

Ain't never been compared to Portia before...
Seem to recall that Shylock later regreted that statement ;-)

In any case, from my perspective, the 'lesson" of the hand doesn't revolve arround the choice of bids, but rather methods.

Its fine to play simple methods.
If you do, don't complain when you have imprecise bidding.

As a previous poster noted, Kokish has a lot going for it...

[whereagles]

Scoring was imps. And 3H over 3D would be natural, 5 cards.

[beatrix45]

whereagles, on Dec 21 2004, 05:48 AM, said:

Thanks all. Hands were

Scoring: IMP

West East
2♣...2<!-- DI begin --><span class='diamonds'>♦</span><!-- DI end -->
3NT...pass

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I opted for a 3NT rebid. Pard didn't think he was worth a raise to 4NT (or a 4♣ baron), and a slam was missed. 6 is cold, and even 7 has a lot of chances. Do you think pard owed me a raise?

Incidently, rebidding 3<!-- DI begin --><span class='diamonds'>♦</span><!-- DI end --> probably wouldn't have fared better, as pard is likely to bid a simple 3NT.

Your side missed 6 because partner's arithmetic was deficient. You advertise 25-27 HCP and he had 7 rather good HCP. A raise to 4NT (at least) is called for. Then you get to construct 7 HCP hands in your head to see what percentage give you an acceptable play for 6. I looks to me like most of them do since your heart tenace (at worst) buys you time to set up the diamonds, and any stray queens or QJ combos have a nice trick taking potential. Partner might have a stiff diamond, but they might break 3-3.