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#1 User is offline   mr1303 

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Posted 2013-January-29, 03:15



2C was natural. I'll limit your possibilities to pass or 2S. Which will it be and why?
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Posted 2013-January-29, 06:17

I would pass, it will take LHO to have a lot of spades for him to sit, but it is possible.
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Posted 2013-January-29, 06:23

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If we have a fit, they likely have one too. It is not in clubs.
Am I keen to hear 2 on my left now or after a reopening DBL?
If support is one of your options it is usually a very good one.
Defending 2 doubled is a pipe dream, but if that would happen, I am not even sure whether it will be a bloodbath.
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Posted 2013-January-29, 09:51

Support
"Bidding Spades to show spades can work well." (Kenberg)
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Posted 2013-January-29, 10:19

Anyone who thinks that they will get to defend 2 doubled is dreaming. Dreams sometimes come true, but the smart money says they don't.

Either or both of LHO and CHO are void in clubs. If partner is void, there is an excellent chance that he won't double: he'll prefer to bid his second suit or, less commonly, rebid his spades. If LHO is void, he'll be able to run either now or later.

So hoping to score big on defence will almost surely not work, while at the same time we may be letting them find their big red suit fit. Imagine partner with some 6331 or 6241, and the opps have 9 or 10 hearts plus shape.

While preempting them isn't my main concern, it is a factor. Why make it easy for them to find a red fit? Bid 2. You are heavy favourite to have to do so next round if you pass now, anyway.
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Posted 2013-January-29, 14:18

View Postmr1303, on 2013-January-29, 03:15, said:



2C was natural. I'll limit your possibilities to pass or 2S. Which will it be and why?


If p cannot bid again we will have missed nothing. If we bid 2s now will we accept
an invite to game ?? Not me---so what is the upside of an immediate 2s bid?

It allows lho to x for the red suits instead of bidding just one of them (if they have both)

im with fluffy here (pass)
2c undoubled might easily be our best spot ---doubled is probably a pipe dream (rhm)
but it is difficult to not at least take a chance on playing in your best spot. This is
especially true in this case where i can successfully back into the bidding with 2s if
the situation warrants it and p may then have a very good idea of my hand type.

Mikeh what the hey is CHO?????
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Posted 2013-January-29, 15:30

View Postgszes, on 2013-January-29, 14:18, said:


Mikeh what the hey is CHO?????

LHO = Left Hand Opp

RHO = Right Hand Opp

CHO = Centre Hand Opp



Otherwise known as 'Partner'.
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Posted 2013-January-29, 15:51

I agree that defending 2 isn't happening.

If I pass, lho probably has to pass without enough to make a forcing call but after pard doubles, passed back to them they will surely find a landing spot.

If I bid 2 my lho probably doesn't have enough to bid (3 of a red suit would be forcing) even if they should.
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Posted 2013-January-29, 17:19

While its not likely we are getting this for 2x'd, we might. LHO can be lots of shapes where running isn't attractive. If partner bids another suit, I'm not too sure what I've lost by passing.

I think we can always bid spades later which implies a club trap.
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Posted 2013-January-29, 17:39

Whatever you do, do it quickly. If you huddle and pass, partner will be constrained.
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Posted 2013-January-29, 18:14

partner can be as constrained as you want, he won't pass with singleton or void in clubs
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Posted 2013-January-30, 02:23

I m with my previous speaker:
Playing 2 clubs (doubled or not) is an illusion.

The only reason that speaks against 2 spades is that west gets a negative x. But that isn t a big disadvantage. Every colour stands bad for the opps with shortnesses behind their shortnesses and length behind their length. I don t believe that this hand belongs to the opps.

If I don t bid 2 spades now, I ve no chance to show CHO my good spade support any more.
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Posted 2013-January-30, 02:52

In my opinion this round I ve no problems in finding a bid.
I ll expect much more problems what I should do next turn if partner invites me to game or what I should attack against a heart contract.

If partner has something like
ADBxxx,Axxx,xxx,-
we have very good chances in making 4 spades after the expected club ace attack.
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Posted 2013-January-30, 08:23

You weren't going to get to defend against 2C X. You might get to defend against 2H doubled, which goes 1 off, and partner will double loudly.

Partner held


and unfortunately bid 4S over 2S liking her club void. This unpleasant contract went 1 off.
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Posted 2013-January-30, 09:08

View Postmr1303, on 2013-January-30, 08:23, said:

and unfortunately bid 4S over 2S liking her club void.

We learned when first being mentored at this game that, for declarer whose 5-bagger is trump, voids don't increase his trick-taking potential if partner only has 3-card support. Voids are part of responder's evaluation.
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Posted 2013-January-30, 10:20

I'd bid 2 in a flash.

Trying for 2 doubled is a pipedream.

Passing may allow the opponents to exchange information cheaply at the 2 level and find a secondary fit.
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Posted 2013-January-31, 02:50

If my CHO makes silly things after every bid I did, passing might be a good strategy. But finding a new CHO might be an even better strategy.

With CHOs hand 4 spade might be a possible contract if partner has maximum for his 2 spade bid with no loosing club figures. Maybe I m a little bit old fashioned. But I think it s a good strategy to invitate if you ve got an invitation and to bid game if you ve a gameforcing and not the other way around.

Otherwise you must have very good nerves to pass partners contra after
1S-2C-p-2H
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It is an absolut underbid to bid 2 spades now. But in my opinion a 3 spade bid shows an inivtiational hand with a penalty x in clubs. For me that s an overbid. So you ve difficulties to describe your hand after passing it first.
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