5M over partner's premptive
#1
Posted 2004-December-16, 07:58
partner opens 2H premptive and you raize to 5H
1. RHO pass
2. RHO doube
3. RHO 3C
would you play any diffenret had partner's 2H was H+S prement ?
#2
Posted 2004-December-16, 08:02
2♥-(DBL)-5♥ = preemptive
2♥-(3♣)-5♥ = bid slam with club control
I don't play 2♥ as spade/heart preempt, so haven't thought about it
#3
Posted 2004-December-16, 08:35
#4
Posted 2004-December-16, 08:43
shan
#5
Posted 2004-December-16, 08:54
Flame, on Dec 16 2004, 10:35 AM, said:
Your method is very common, and works if you have discussed this with your partner. As always, it is good to have agreements with your partner. :-) Without such a disucssion, I would assume regular leap to five of a major rules apply.
In general, a voluntary bid of 5 in a major suit is a slam invitation. So your focus is on what kind of hand would the slam invitation be made on. However, with some partners I play that if our side has made a weak bid (preempt), the jump to five is always preemptive (after a preempt, the preempter's jump to five is always preemptive, regardless if you play this rule...but then maybe he made a mistake not bidding more to begin with).
Ben
#6
Posted 2004-December-16, 09:21
1) We've got a slam if partner has good trumps.
2) They can make 4S and are fairly sure to bid it (5H bidder has a spade void and five little hearts).
I'm sure #2 is more likely. And #1 can be handled via RKCB or Exclusion RKCB with a void. (And with two voids you are going to blast to 6 or 7 anyway, aren't you?)
The frequency edge is even greater in favor of #2 when opponent bids or doubles, showing some values.
#7
Posted 2004-December-16, 10:23
BTW, I disagree with almost all the jumps to 5♥ played as a strong hand, as almost all of them were inappropriate even if you played the jump as slam invite looking for good trumps. This was for infomational purposes. Also, thee were mamny more people leaping to 5♥ on the strong hands below than there were leaping to 5H on the weak ones... so these "odds" are actually not the accurate ones... Some of the 5♥ preemptive bids were over the top too... but at least when you bid 5H as weak. that ends your particpation.
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#8
Posted 2004-December-16, 11:42
I play the jumps to the 5-level as preemptive when discussed.
- hrothgar
#9
Posted 2004-December-16, 12:59
#10
Posted 2004-December-29, 22:22
#11
Posted 2004-December-30, 06:31
With a possible slam hand there must be several ways to discover partner's range and strength
#12
Posted 2005-January-10, 10:37
Joel
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