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#1 User is offline   flytoox 

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Posted 2004-December-06, 07:52

sitting south you hold
S: AT6432
H: J9
D: 52
C: K92

W N E S
1D 2C P ??

DO YOU
1) raise pd to 3C
2) bid 2S.
3) 2D shows good raise.

TIA.

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Posted 2004-December-06, 08:31

Close.

2S.

You're unlikely to make 5C, but might make 4S if partner has a max with 3 spades.

3C is reasonable. I think 2D is a bit of an overbid.

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Posted 2004-December-06, 09:05

That's why I play transfer advances :D 2 to show s, and support to show an invitational hand with s and support...
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Posted 2004-December-06, 13:39

I'm with Free on this one.

Not playing transfer advances I'd bid 2S, non-forcing.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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  Posted 2004-December-06, 19:52

Dont like by an expert poster at all.
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Posted 2004-December-06, 20:36

civill, on Dec 6 2004, 09:52 PM, said:

Dont like by an expert poster at all.

Welcome to the Bridge Base Forum (BBF).

Just so you know, "expert poster" is only someone who has posted a lot of times. A forum newbie is a beginner poster here. A newbie might easily be a better bridge player than anyone else posting here, and an "expert poster" might be a total idiot when it comes to bridge. "Expert poster" only refers to the number of post in this forum, and is not an inditcation of bridge skill, one way or the other.

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Posted 2004-December-07, 05:53

civill, on Dec 7 2004, 01:52 AM, said:

Dont like by an expert poster at all.

Dear Civil, I would appreciate if you can lecture on this question rather than make some brutal claim.

Thanks.

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Posted 2004-December-07, 08:32

Free, on Dec 6 2004, 03:05 PM, said:

That's why I play transfer advances :) 2 to show s, and support to show an invitational hand with s and support...

Transfer doesnot solve every question, suppose you transfer 2H to 2S, LHO bid 4D. What should pd do and what would you do if it is passed over to you?
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Posted 2004-December-07, 12:08

flytoox, on Dec 7 2004, 03:32 PM, said:

Free, on Dec 6 2004, 03:05 PM, said:

That's why I play transfer advances  :)  2 to show s, and support to show an invitational hand with s and support...

Transfer doesnot solve every question, suppose you transfer 2H to 2S, LHO bid 4D. What should pd do and what would you do if it is passed over to you?

I'll just bounce that question back: what happens if you bid 2 and LHO bids 4? What should partner do and what would you do if it's passed over to you?

Come on, what's the difference?? :) Maybe you should think before asking silly useless questions. This has nothing to do with transfers anyway...
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Posted 2004-December-07, 13:20

Free, on Dec 7 2004, 06:08 PM, said:

flytoox, on Dec 7 2004, 03:32 PM, said:

Free, on Dec 6 2004, 03:05 PM, said:

That's why I play transfer advances  :)   2 to show s, and support to show an invitational hand with s and support...

Transfer doesnot solve every question, suppose you transfer 2H to 2S, LHO bid 4D. What should pd do and what would you do if it is passed over to you?

I'll just bounce that question back: what happens if you bid 2 and LHO bids 4? What should partner do and what would you do if it's passed over to you?

Come on, what's the difference?? :) Maybe you should think before asking silly useless questions. This has nothing to do with transfers anyway...

hehe, did I say I bid 2S?
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Posted 2004-December-07, 13:43

I think id bid 2sp.
Am i the only one who consider passing ? especially NF ?
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Posted 2004-December-07, 15:32

Flame, on Dec 7 2004, 02:43 PM, said:

I think id bid 2sp.
Am i the only one who consider passing ? especially NF ?

i don't think pass is reasonable, you have three card support and some values, so even if you are in a very pessimistic mood you should bid 3c at least.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2004-December-07, 15:41

Hannie, on Dec 7 2004, 04:32 PM, said:

Flame, on Dec 7 2004, 02:43 PM, said:

I think id bid 2sp.
Am i the only one who consider passing ? especially NF ?

i don't think pass is reasonable, you have three card support and some values, so even if you are in a very pessimistic mood you should bid 3c at least.

I guess you're right, im an unerbidder in my soul, also a mp player who sometimes play with not very good players and prefer to see plus scores.
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Posted 2004-December-07, 16:47

Lots of reasons to try 2; we have a partial club fit, and I want to get the suit in before the storm of heart bids happens (if it happens at all). The 6th spade partially mitigates the suit quality.

Good hand for NF 2 call. I go back and forth on this btw.
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Posted 2004-December-07, 16:52

Agree with Phil's well said comments.
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Posted 2004-December-08, 02:44

2S..whether forcing or not...doesnt matter.
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Posted 2004-December-08, 06:41

flytoox, on Dec 7 2004, 08:20 PM, said:

Free, on Dec 7 2004, 06:08 PM, said:

flytoox, on Dec 7 2004, 03:32 PM, said:

Free, on Dec 6 2004, 03:05 PM, said:

That's why I play transfer advances  :D  2 to show s, and support to show an invitational hand with s and support...

Transfer doesnot solve every question, suppose you transfer 2H to 2S, LHO bid 4D. What should pd do and what would you do if it is passed over to you?

I'll just bounce that question back: what happens if you bid 2 and LHO bids 4? What should partner do and what would you do if it's passed over to you?

Come on, what's the difference?? :) Maybe you should think before asking silly useless questions. This has nothing to do with transfers anyway...

hehe, did I say I bid 2S?

No B) But if you pass, bid 2 or bid 3 (or whatever else you bid), and opps bid 4, then you're still in the same situation imo, except that partner doesn't know anything about s if you pass or bid 3... :P

Imo you just can't ignore the suit, weither you bid it in transfer or natural, and the problems you get later on are exactly the same.
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Posted 2004-December-09, 05:40

2, with 5 card suit it would be closer, I think I would bid 2 anyway.
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Posted 2004-December-14, 09:21

suppose you raised pd to 3C, as I did here. The auction continues:


Vul.: NS
Dealer: W

W N E S
1D 2C P 3C
4D 4H(1) 5D ??(2)

(1) What is pd doing?
(2) What do you bid now?
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Posted 2004-December-14, 09:32

1) Pard seems to have a 6-4 or something like that.
2) Double. Where are their tricks coming from?
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