[HeartA]

EricK, on Dec 12 2004, 04:50 PM, said:

Your 1NT was correct IMO.

Firstly, it hides from the opponents how weak you are
Secondly, it makes it harder for North to bid his spades
Thirdly, with the current trend to open big two and three-suited hands with a one level bid rather than 2♣ it gives you a chance to find game if it is there.

However, you were lucky to get a good score! Once you pass 2♦, North should certainly have bid 2♠.

Eric

Agree with Eric. North was on the margin to overcall 2S over 1NT and pass is OK. To pass 2D, North earned the bottom.

As for West, pass 2D was OK, though I agree 2H was better.

[flytoox]

HeartA, on Dec 14 2004, 06:05 PM, said:

EricK, on Dec 12 2004, 04:50 PM, said:

Your 1NT was correct IMO.

Firstly, it hides from the opponents how weak you are
Secondly, it makes it harder for North to bid his spades
Thirdly, with the current trend to open big two and three-suited hands with a one level bid rather than 2♣ it gives you a chance to find game if it is there.

However, you were lucky to get a good score! Once you pass 2♦, North should certainly have bid 2♠.

Eric

Agree with Eric. North was on the margin to overcall 2S over 1NT and pass is OK. To pass 2D, North earned the bottom.

As for West, pass 2D was OK, though I agree 2H was better.

Hehe, no, North's passing over 1N is wrong. Mike lawrence said when auction goes like 1X-p-1N-? Bidding 2Y is always right if Y>>X. His answer to this kind question is: Bid! Dont look at ur hand:)

[vang]

sceptic, on Dec 12 2004, 03:03 PM, said:

Dealer: East Vul: NS Scoring: IMP

♠ A9874 ♥ J753 ♦ Q7 ♣ AQ ♠ 653 ♥ 62 ♦ A832 ♣ T853 ♠ Q ♥ AQT98 ♦ K965 ♣ J62 ♠ KJT2 ♥ K4 ♦ JT4 ♣ K974

West  North East  South

-    -    1♥    Pass
1NT  Pass  2♦    Pass
Pass  Pass 

in my opinnion, answering 1NT is wrong (i would pass) and the good result was pure luck (or bad opps), not your merit. i think even more absurd is to suggest 1h-1n-2d-2h, trying twice to go too high against (probably) nothing to play by opps.

[Antoine Fourrière]

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(Antoine Fourrière @ Dec 13 2004, 12:06 AM)
I wouldn't bid 1N for fear of hearing 3N with a balanced 18-19.

Why rebid 3NT with 18-19 bal when 2NT shows that hand?

Gulp, you're absolutely right.

[Flame]

I read that post here saying you shoud never pass with 4 diamonds and 2M, i just think its wrong, and think this hand if you decided to bid 1nt, then you better pass 2d, i dont see what you will benefit from going higher when you are confortable in 2 diamond with atleast 7 card fit, bidding 2h will could result in many ways, the better one is that the 5-2 will play abit better then the 4-3, but this is just one thing that can go abit better, on the other hand there are lots of things that can go wrong , and very wrong, you could end up playing 5-2 instead of 5-4, you could end up going down several times in 2nt when you have an easy 2/3 diamonds on a 4-4 fit. partner can bid game in either heart or NT and go down.

[inquiry]

Flame, on Dec 22 2004, 07:57 PM, said:

I read that post here saying you shoud never pass with 4 diamonds and 2M, i just think its wrong, and think this hand if you decided to bid 1nt, then you better pass 2d, i dont see what you will benefit from going higher when you are confortable in 2 diamond with atleast 7 card fit, bidding 2h will could result in many ways, the better one is that the 5-2 will play abit better then the 4-3, but this is just one thing that can go abit better, on the other hand there are lots of things that can go wrong , and very wrong, you could end up playing 5-2 instead of 5-4, you could end up going down several times in 2nt when you have an easy 2/3 diamonds on a 4-4 fit. partner can bid game in either heart or NT and go down.

If your partner bids 2♦ and you correct to 2M, you will never end up in game unless you cooperate further. The reason is if all your partner can do is bid 2♦, and then you bid 2M, he can't have enough to bid game... cause if he did, he would have bid something more than 2♦. The best partner can do is invite you to participate, and only with a super duper hand.

Ben

[Flame]

inquiry, on Dec 24 2004, 09:30 PM, said:

Flame, on Dec 22 2004, 07:57 PM, said:

I read that post here saying you shoud never pass with 4 diamonds and 2M, i just think its wrong, and think this hand if you decided to bid 1nt, then you better pass 2d, i dont see what you will benefit from going higher when you are confortable in 2 diamond with atleast 7 card fit, bidding 2h will could result in many ways, the better one is that the 5-2 will play abit better then the 4-3, but this is just one thing that can go abit better, on the other hand there are lots of things that can go wrong , and very wrong, you could end up playing 5-2 instead of 5-4, you could end up going down several times in 2nt when you have an easy 2/3 diamonds on a 4-4 fit. partner can bid game in either heart or NT and go down.

If your partner bids 2♦ and you correct to 2M, you will never end up in game unless you cooperate further. The reason is if all your partner can do is bid 2♦, and then you bid 2M, he can't have enough to bid game... cause if he did, he would have bid something more than 2♦. The best partner can do is invite you to participate, and only with a super duper hand.

Ben

Great so that prove my point, if we are going to play in a partscore, then what are the chances that 2d is the best place to be ? imo very high.
Maybe the point behind the "dont pass with 4 diamonds and 4 hearts" is that partner with a very good hand can miss a game, but if we know game isnt possible , why not pass 2d ?

[pclayton]

inquiry, on Dec 24 2004, 06:30 PM, said:

Flame, on Dec 22 2004, 07:57 PM, said:

I read that post here saying you shoud never pass with 4 diamonds and 2M, i just think its wrong, and think this hand if you decided to bid 1nt, then you better pass 2d, i dont see what you will benefit from going higher when you are confortable in 2 diamond with atleast 7 card fit, bidding 2h will could result in many ways, the better one is that the 5-2 will play abit better then the 4-3, but this is just one thing that can go abit better, on the other hand there are lots of things that can go wrong , and very wrong, you could end up playing 5-2 instead of 5-4, you could end up going down several times in 2nt when you have an easy 2/3 diamonds on a 4-4 fit. partner can bid game in either heart or NT and go down.

If your partner bids 2♦ and you correct to 2M, you will never end up in game unless you cooperate further. The reason is if all your partner can do is bid 2♦, and then you bid 2M, he can't have enough to bid game... cause if he did, he would have bid something more than 2♦. The best partner can do is invite you to participate, and only with a super duper hand.

Ben

Merry Christmas and I hope 2005 is a great year for everyone.

2♦ shows a rather wide range; up to a bad 18.

A return to 2 of the major similarly shows a wide range; a hand just good enough to eek out a response, or up to a bad 10.

Opener needs to make a move with the 16-18 range over 2 of a major. This is the primary reason why getting out in 2♦ is your best strategy. Presumably you bid ont his hand to either improve the contract or in case pard has a huge 2 suiter and didn't want to open 2♣.