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Against the auction 1H 2C 2D 2S 3NT all pass, partner leads the 2 of spades and dummy hits with
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Declarer plays the 10 and overtakes with the ace. He then plays the 6 of clubs, partner playing the ten. You play standard count signals. Declarer plays the Q and you...?
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Calling the director on your partner
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Posted 2012-December-29, 14:16
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Posted 2012-December-29, 14:34
It is really a shame that people still talk about calling the director "on" somebody.
Anyway, if partner played the ten slowly, you are probably stuck with whatever option loses.
Anyway, if partner played the ten slowly, you are probably stuck with whatever option loses.
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Posted 2012-December-29, 14:46
aside fromstandard count signals it would be useful to know what leads I play
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Posted 2012-December-29, 15:02
Assuming 4th best leads, it really looks like declarer has AKx in spades. So dummy has a club entry. My plan is to take the CK and play the HK. If partner discourages, I'll shift to a diamond.
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Posted 2012-December-29, 15:26
Assuming fourth highest leads, partner also knows from our card at trick one that declarer is 3541 and holds AKx of spades (declarer should have won with the king) and he knows that we know.
So the club ten is suit preference for hearts rather than count or Smith.
I play a low heart which holds it to three since declarer has AKx Txxxx AKQx x and partner Jxxx Qx xxxx Txx. From the comfort of my ivory tower, I think partner plays his lowest card with a diamond card (in which case I cash the heart king and then play a diamond, holding declarer to nine even when he has the ace). The middle card shows equal or neither.
And if my ox is wearing non-matching socks or a dodgy christmas jumper I think the director should be called.
So the club ten is suit preference for hearts rather than count or Smith.
I play a low heart which holds it to three since declarer has AKx Txxxx AKQx x and partner Jxxx Qx xxxx Txx. From the comfort of my ivory tower, I think partner plays his lowest card with a diamond card (in which case I cash the heart king and then play a diamond, holding declarer to nine even when he has the ace). The middle card shows equal or neither.
And if my ox is wearing non-matching socks or a dodgy christmas jumper I think the director should be called.
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Posted 2012-December-29, 19:00
Vampyr, on 2012-December-29, 14:34, said:
It is really a shame that people still talk about calling the director "on" somebody.
Anyway, if partner played the ten slowly, you are probably stuck with whatever option loses.
Anyway, if partner played the ten slowly, you are probably stuck with whatever option loses.
why is that?
alot of people know better when they do things at the table, if not they need to learn
calling the TD is for that
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Posted 2012-December-29, 19:25
pigpenz, on 2012-December-29, 19:00, said:
why is that?
Why is what?
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Posted 2012-December-29, 19:25
pigpenz, on 2012-December-29, 19:00, said:
why is that?
alot of people know better when they do things at the table, if not they need to learn
calling the TD is for that
alot of people know better when they do things at the table, if not they need to learn
calling the TD is for that
I think the difference is "calling the TD" vs. "calling the TD on someone"
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Posted 2012-December-29, 19:49
If someone has done something against the rules, and they should have known better, and they're going to be penalized for having done this, then I think it is entirely correct to say that you're calling the director "on" that person. If you're calling to sort out something that went accidentally wrong (lead out of turn, etc.), then it's not appropriate to phrase it that way.
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Posted 2012-December-29, 20:34
So we are going to decide that they have infringed the rules, that it was intentional and that they are going to be penalized?
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Posted 2012-December-29, 21:25
It is never proper to refer to calling the TD as calling him "on" someone. You call him because something may have gone wrong, and he is the one to sort it out.
Few rulings involve punishment, which would be done via a procedural or disciplinary penalty. Such penalties are indeed "punishment", but they are intended as deterrents.
Few rulings involve punishment, which would be done via a procedural or disciplinary penalty. Such penalties are indeed "punishment", but they are intended as deterrents.
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Posted 2012-December-30, 01:15
Can somebody explain what infringement partner is supposed to have made?
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Posted 2012-December-30, 01:18
EricK, on 2012-December-30, 01:15, said:
Can somebody explain what infringement partner is supposed to have made?
We are not being told yet; OP is looking for logical alternatives.
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Posted 2012-December-30, 06:10
This is turning into the worst thread ever.
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PhilKing, on 2012-December-30, 06:10, said:
This is turning into the worst thread ever.
Phil, you have not been here long enough...
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Posted 2012-December-30, 07:21
This is one of the more innocuous bad threads: http://www.bridgebas...0-akq9xx-vs-xx/ ... You be the judge but I, for one, agree with Vampyr.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2012-December-30, 10:15
gwnn, on 2012-December-30, 07:21, said:
This is one of the more innocuous bad threads: http://www.bridgebas...0-akq9xx-vs-xx/ ... You be the judge but I, for one, agree with Vampyr.
I was entertained. Does anyone know where Foo plays for money?
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Posted 2012-December-30, 17:56
Actually, I called the director on my partner because he called me a donkey for ducking smoothly with Kx. Unfortunately declarer held a singleton club and made the whole job lot for a terrible score.
I was just wondering more how obvious it was to win and cash out, or if ducking smoothly was reasonable.
I was just wondering more how obvious it was to win and cash out, or if ducking smoothly was reasonable.
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Posted 2012-December-30, 18:00
mr1303, on 2012-December-30, 17:56, said:
Actually, I called the director on my partner because he called me a donkey for ducking smoothly with Kx. Unfortunately declarer held a singleton club and made the whole job lot for a terrible score.
I was just wondering more how obvious it was to win and cash out, or if ducking smoothly was reasonable.
I was just wondering more how obvious it was to win and cash out, or if ducking smoothly was reasonable.
You "knew" declarer was 3541, so ducking was a donkey play.
What was partner's hand? It sounds like he had the one I suggested lol. But if he didn't have the heart queen, he was an ass.
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