[whereagles]

Steal? It can still be their hand I guess this is a "do you feel lucky?" problem, eheh.

[arrows]

Scoring: IMP

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This is the full hand. In reality, I called double again, partner bid 4♥
and got hammered -1100 after he miss guessing the spade.

I don't really think he should have left the double in with 5 cards in a major.
And I believe a disaster like this cannot be fully explained by "luck".

So I would have to say that for this hand, double again to 4D is an exaggeration
which is easily overlooked. The major drawback of this hand is the shape,
strentching with balanced hands is invitation to disasters. Also, the high cards
are not solid enough, may result in no winning option for partner at this level.

Change a little bit,
♠ KQ32
♥ AK62
♦ 2
♣ AK42

I believe the above hand is a perfect example with which I
should make a double to the 4♦

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[inquiry]

Here is the problem... at matchpoints, maybe you might double again (either 3♦ or 4♦)... but at imps, here is what you risk....

If they can make 3♦, the same finessees through you that lets them make maybe set you. If you can make 3♥ or 3♠, the same hook that lets you make, sets them. +110 to +130 for them, versus you down one or two (100 or 200 for them) makes little difference on an imp scale. If you can make say 3♥ or 3♠ (can't back up to it now), you get +140, versus say +50 to +100 for betting them one, again not the end of the world. Of course if you could make 3♥ and they can make 3♦, the swing is a little bigger (total swing 210) that can be a little costly. But here you discovered, all by yourself, the problem with the double. At mp, you laugh it off, and go to the next hand. At imps, minus 14 imps is a lot harder to laugh off... and could be a much bigger swing if they manage to go down one.. not real likely here, but some people play poorly.

ben

[Free]

Dbl!

[Fluffy]

I am not sure playing IMPs or MP makes a bid difference, at IMPs you can get a huge disaster, but also is where you can get the bid win getting to a makeable game, instead at MP passing will very often lead to +100 when doubling leads to a minus score, but also patner is more likelly to pass 4♦X sine -710 is jsut a bottom at MP, something he can´t afford at IMPs.

3 suiter is better to double of course, but you don´t need 19 HCP to doubl again.

♠ KQ32
♥ K1062
♦ 2
♣ AK42

Is enough for another double.

[EricK]

Interesting hand: On best defense, 5♦ can be made by West but not by East.

Eric

[cf_John0]

Pass 3D but dbl 4D!

[han]

cf_John0, on Dec 14 2004, 02:53 AM, said:

Pass 3D but dbl 4D!

This can't be right, you must have meant it the other wayt around.

[OrShoham]

I voted for pass before seeing the comments or hands. I flat-out can't expect partner to pass the takeout - it's difficult to envision a hand where that would be reasonable, especially if partner expects me to have a 4-4-1-4 shape. It is very possible for me to have no more than one winner in each suit. If the bid had been 5D, I'd axe it (not necessarily a good thing, in this case) for penalty.

[shanbari]

WEST is supposed to bid 1H after opps' double.