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Suit combo Kxx vs Jxxxx
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Posted 2012-December-12, 01:42
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
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Posted 2012-December-12, 08:03
Are we permitted to know the trick target? Or perhaps you think it irrelevant?
Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.
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Masterminding (pron. m
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ing) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.
"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. m
str-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees."Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
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Posted 2012-December-12, 08:16
I've no idea what the problem is, but I guess the answer is "run the jack".
If West covers with the queen, consider ducking, but at that stage I would probably ask what contract I was in, what my hand is, and what the bidding was.
If West covers with the queen, consider ducking, but at that stage I would probably ask what contract I was in, what my hand is, and what the bidding was.
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Posted 2012-December-12, 12:11
Aim for the best average of tricks.
Side question does having the 876 change anything ?
Side question does having the 876 change anything ?
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
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Posted 2012-December-12, 15:30
wdp - duplicate
Be the partner you want to play with.
Trust demands integrity, balance and collaboration.
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Posted 2012-December-12, 15:35
Suit Play says the following (unadjusted for open spaces):
Line A: Small to K (follow-ups depend on what falls)
Line B: Small to 8 (follow ups depend on what falls)
..........A...........B
4.......3.39%.......3.39%
3......62.17%......58.78%
2......95.22%.....100.00%
E.......2.6078......2.6217 Tricks
MP best is B.
If we don't have the 876 then we must have the 765 - K72 - J6543.
Line A low from both hands E=2.4978
Line B low to K E= 2.4696
so A is Best
There is a Line C that is worse - you can check it out.
Yes the spots have a bigger impact on the expected yield (E) than the choice between the best lines for each card set!
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Line A: Small to K (follow-ups depend on what falls)
Line B: Small to 8 (follow ups depend on what falls)
..........A...........B
4.......3.39%.......3.39%
3......62.17%......58.78%
2......95.22%.....100.00%
E.......2.6078......2.6217 Tricks
MP best is B.
If we don't have the 876 then we must have the 765 - K72 - J6543.
Line A low from both hands E=2.4978
Line B low to K E= 2.4696
so A is Best
There is a Line C that is worse - you can check it out.
Yes the spots have a bigger impact on the expected yield (E) than the choice between the best lines for each card set!
Suggest you go to Suit Play and get yourself a copy. Best analytics program I've seen.
Be the partner you want to play with.
Trust demands integrity, balance and collaboration.
District 11
Unit 124
Steve Moese
Trust demands integrity, balance and collaboration.
District 11
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Steve Moese
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Posted 2012-December-12, 18:39
SteveMoe, on 2012-December-12, 15:35, said:
There is a Line C that is worse - you can check it out.
Lead the jack?
I wasn't serious lol, but if East is likely to be short we pin stiff T or 9 and West may cover erroneously (in a vacuum it loses to stiff A,Q,T or 9 in West).
And as for line B, we are only playing the 8 if the 5 appears. And that is only because, on simulation world, the suit could be 5-0.
Context is everything.
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Posted 2012-December-12, 19:33
None of the 3 lines involves running the J.
Line A leads low toward dummy and ducking round 1 when LHO plays low. Then low toward the K.
Line C leads low similarly, but repeats the low/duck play at trick 2 (ostensibly playing for Ax with RHO).
Line A leads low toward dummy and ducking round 1 when LHO plays low. Then low toward the K.
Line C leads low similarly, but repeats the low/duck play at trick 2 (ostensibly playing for Ax with RHO).
Be the partner you want to play with.
Trust demands integrity, balance and collaboration.
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Posted 2012-December-13, 12:50
I agree with suitplay 
In short
Ducking and low to K is slightly better at mp than low to K and low to J because
QT9x--A
+
Qx--AT9
are slightly more frequent than
xx-AQx
However if you hold 8+7 you can cover a LHO 9 or 10 at trick 1 because you can finesse against the other 9 or 10 on the way back.
Looking at the numbers i see the difference is a lot smaller than I would have tought. Also if you need 3 tricks low to K and low to J is best.
In shortDucking and low to K is slightly better at mp than low to K and low to J because
QT9x--A
+
Qx--AT9
are slightly more frequent than
xx-AQx
However if you hold 8+7 you can cover a LHO 9 or 10 at trick 1 because you can finesse against the other 9 or 10 on the way back.
Looking at the numbers i see the difference is a lot smaller than I would have tought. Also if you need 3 tricks low to K and low to J is best.
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
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