[thomas c]

if you play a 2d opening as weak in either major (or maybe very weak) what do you play for your 2h and 2s opening?
anyone play 2h and 2s with this as a better hand (ie maybe 8-11 and 6 cds)? and does this type hand occur more than
a muiderberg type hand>???
appreciate any answers

[Zelandakh]

Both approaches are popular. There is no expert consensus on which is better up to now (that I am aware of). The split-range weak 2 bids have been steadily increasing in popularity though. You can also play a 2♥ opening as an assumed fit preempt (both majors at least 4-4) rather than Muiderberg.

[Gerben42]

I like to use 2♦ as Multi, then 2♥ as BOTH majors and 2♠ is "Muiderberg"
At least when I'm not playing Fantunes...

[Gerben42]

I like to use 2♦ as Multi, then 2♥ as BOTH majors and 2♠ is "Muiderberg"
At least when I'm not playing Fantunes...

[Free]

I also like Gerben's approach.

[Zelandakh]

Free, on 2012-November-20, 10:50, said:

I also like Gerben's approach.

Both of them!

[gwnn]

Of course the best method when NV is

2♦=diamonds or hearts (weak)
2♥=hearts (int.) or spades (weak)
2♠=spades (int.)

But you can't really play this anywhere.

My partner made me play
2♣=weak with both majors or strong any
2♦=weak with 1 major or 20-21 bal
2♥/♠=Muiderberg
2NT=minors

I expected a lot of losses from 2♣ but really it's not that bad, at least at MP. Of course 2♣=weak 2♦ or strong is better but that's not really your question anymore.

And yes playing
2♦=(very) weak 2 in a major, often 5 cards (say 2-7 hcp)
2M=constructive weak 2 in a major, always 6 cards (say 8-10 hcp)

is quite rewarding and fun. Especially if you're not afraid of passing 2♦ every now and then

[Kungsgeten]

I like 2M as canapé (also known as Velociraptor?). 2M shows exactly 4 cards in the major, and a 5+ minor, weak. 2♦ is weak in a major (mini-multi), and I like to play 2♣ as game foring or 20-21 bal or weak 2 in diamonds.

If a strong variant is included in the multi I like to play 2NT as weak with both minors OR both majors (some play it as weak with 5-5 in any suits).

In Sweden, 2♦ as multi and about 5-9 hcp and 2M as "intermediate two bid" with 10-13 hcp is popular. I play this in some partnerships and it works pretty well. The ugly hands are those with 6 hearts and 4 spades in the 10-13 range. If you open 1♥ and partner responds 1NT you're too weak for a reverse and too weak for 2♥ (which promise 14-16 hcp).

At my club a pair is playing their own gadget; a kind of modified Wilkosz/multi hand. 2♦ shows a Muiderberg hand; 5 cards in a major and 4+ cards in a minor OR a strong NT. 2M is then an ordinary weak two and 2NT is weak with minors or majors.

[thomas c]

we have been playin 2c as precision type 2d multi (wk in a major or bal 20-21),and 2h, 2s as muiderberg. if you play 2 hearts as both are u promising 5h, 4s or 5h, 5s for instance.
ive just wanted to try something different that was maybe ok for acbl games without a lot of hassle.
thanx for all the replies

[Codo]

You can play an Ekren 2 ♥ as you want to. Over here it is usually 5+ 4+, each suit can be the longer one.