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#1 User is offline   Phil 

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Posted 2012-November-24, 11:44

xx AKJxx KJ9xx x

W/r IMPs

(2) - p -(3) - 4
(4) - x - (p) -?

1. What is pard's x?
2. Your call?
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Posted 2012-November-24, 21:26

LOTT is screaming in my head "4!? WHAT?!"
That being said, I would assume the double is penalties, and I'll pass.
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Posted 2012-November-25, 01:01

Partner thinks s/he can extract punishment for opener's indiscretion so I will cooperate and pass. Expecting opener to have a void.
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Posted 2012-November-25, 05:33

View PostSteveMoe, on 2012-November-25, 01:01, said:

(Lose the title - no place for that).


Absolutely -- very offensive.
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Posted 2012-November-25, 05:38

There's a case for this being a forcing-pass situation, because the auction says that they're not bidding to make. Against that, the auction and vulnerability combined suggest that they just don't know what they're doing.

Hence I think partner's double means what all these doubles should mean: he has the values to think we would have made game, and he can't bid to the five-level by himself. I'd pass, because I have fewer hearts than he expects and my suits aren't great, and my defence is reasonable, especially if partner has A.
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Posted 2012-November-25, 08:48

double shows its our hand unless specific agreements. I would bid 5 at other vulnerabilities, but at this one lets go for a maximum.
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Posted 2012-November-26, 08:33

View PostSteveMoe, on 2012-November-25, 01:01, said:

(Lose the title - no place for that).

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Posted 2012-November-26, 10:30

View Postbarmar, on 2012-November-26, 08:33, said:

Title has been edited


Within the forums the following words have been used (granted some not colloquially):

"Retarded" - 72 times

"Retard" - 84 times

"Tard" - 4 times.

Suddenly people are offended by the term?
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Posted 2012-November-26, 13:14

View PostPhil, on 2012-November-26, 10:30, said:

Within the forums the following words have been used (granted some not colloquially):

"Retarded" - 72 times

"Retard" - 84 times

"Tard" - 4 times.

Suddenly people are offended by the term?


No, Phil, people are offended by your use of the term to disparage opponents behind their backs.
Also, the search box in the upper right returns only 13 results for "retard". Is there a more comprehensive search function somewhere?
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Posted 2012-November-26, 14:23

View Postquiddity, on 2012-November-26, 13:14, said:

No, Phil, people are offended by your use of the term to disparage opponents behind their backs.
Also, the search box in the upper right returns only 13 results for "retard". Is there a more comprehensive search function somewhere?


Use google for your searches.

Type in "www.bridgebase.com/forums" and then your search term of choice.
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Posted 2012-November-26, 14:30

He should have used "sheep".
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Posted 2012-November-26, 15:42

View PostPhil, on 2012-November-26, 14:23, said:

Use google for your searches.

Type in "www.bridgebase.com/forums" and then your search term of choice.


Weird - I get 10 results from google site-search for retard. Is google including stemmed keywords (retards, retarded, etc) in your result set?
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Posted 2012-November-26, 15:55

cards, likely short in hearts; I pass unhappily, but I think we're more likely to go + by passing than by bidding 5D.
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Posted 2012-November-26, 16:16

View Postquiddity, on 2012-November-26, 15:42, said:

Weird - I get 10 results from google site-search for retard. Is google including stemmed keywords (retards, retarded, etc) in your result set?


I'm not going to bother counting, but it looks like quite a few results:

http://tinyurl.com/c9dln4b
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Posted 2012-November-26, 16:38

View PostPhil, on 2012-November-26, 10:30, said:

Within the forums the following words have been used (granted some not colloquially):

"Retarded" - 72 times

"Retard" - 84 times

"Tard" - 4 times.

Suddenly people are offended by the term?


One of the uses of "retard" was "To retard the thread drift a bit". Maybe a few others were similar? A number of the uses were in the Water Cooler where standards are relaxed. Many of the uses we in reference to oneself (I still don't like it). But, you called out opponents behind their backs and used it in the thread title.
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Posted 2012-November-26, 16:58

View Postdustinst22, on 2012-November-26, 16:16, said:

I'm not going to bother counting, but it looks like quite a few results:

http://tinyurl.com/c9dln4b


That includes stemmed results. The vast majority of those results are returned because they include the word "retarded" (as in retarded bid or play).
If you search specifically for retard (by enclosing the term in double quotes) you get 10 results.

I should add: I don't really care about the title or whether it should/shouldn't be censored. It seems like a toss-up to me. I was mostly interested in Phil's search result figures because they are counter-intuitive.
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Posted 2012-November-26, 17:07

Plankton. Noboby really cares if they take offence, so they are fair game - for now.
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Posted 2012-November-26, 17:49

I'd bid 4 over 3. I thought everyone played this as non-leaping Michael's nowadays, but apparently that's not the case.
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Posted 2012-November-26, 18:07

View Postpetterb, on 2012-November-26, 17:49, said:

I'd bid 4 over 3. I thought everyone played this as non-leaping Michael's nowadays, but apparently that's not the case.


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Posted 2012-November-27, 00:24

Partner must be showing cards. If partner had a fit, and shortness, 5 could have been bid. Since that didn't happen, I'll pass and take a pretty sure positive.

If that doesn't produce a good result, that's life.
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