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What is your bid

Poll: IMP Team, Both Vul (40 member(s) have cast votes)

IMP Team, Both Vul

  1. pass (3 votes [7.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.50%

  2. 2S (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. 2NT (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 3D (2 votes [5.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.00%

  5. 3H (22 votes [55.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 55.00%

  6. 3NT (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. 4H (13 votes [32.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 32.50%

  8. Others (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   arrows 

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Posted 2004-December-04, 13:15

IMP team, Both Vul
holding K5 8754 AJT95 76

Partner open 1, RHO overcall 2, you pass and pray partner will reopen
a double, but he reopens 2. What is your bid now?
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Posted 2004-December-04, 13:18

The system is assumed SAYC and common sense bidding.
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Posted 2004-December-04, 15:04

4h, p can bid again
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Posted 2004-December-04, 22:58

4. I'll have some kind words for those that venture 3 :P
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Posted 2004-December-05, 01:53

3H for me
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Posted 2004-December-05, 02:21

If partner's bidding can be trusted I bid 4H. Otherwise a simple 3H will do it.
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Posted 2004-December-05, 10:25

I don't like the "both Vul" overcall with poor s, so I'll just invite with 3 and let p decide as well...
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Posted 2004-December-05, 20:45

arrows, on Dec 5 2004, 08:15 AM, said:

IMP team, Both Vul
holding K5  8754  AJT95  76

Partner open 1, RHO overcall 2, you pass and pray partner will reopen
a double, but he reopens 2. What is your bid now?

To my way of thinking P had a hand with less than 16 points 5 and 4 (possibly 5). I would just bid 3 as my hand is NOT that crash hot :)
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Posted 2004-December-06, 00:23

3 for me. K and A are good cards, but that's it.
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  Posted 2004-December-06, 00:49

3H is moderate.
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Posted 2004-December-06, 04:57

4
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Posted 2004-December-06, 05:57

3H.
Very few hcp are "working".

The Kx of spades is great, sure.
A of diamonds is a great holding if opposite a singleton, but the fact that pard did not reopen with a double, suggests he has good chances of holding a diamonds void, in which case our Ace is close to useless.

Not to mention the minor honors in diamonds, which are totally wasted.

Aside of that, we provide no useful cards.

So, we owe pard a raise, because of the (ugly) support, but outr honors were by no means reevaluated. The useful honor points are no more than 7, maybe less if pard had the D void.

Our 3H raise should show exatctly some decent 7-8 count with support and without great shape, which is what we have: so if he has a 5-losers 55 or 65 in a major OR a genuine reverse in hcp, he'll bid game.
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Posted 2004-December-06, 15:26

Chamaco, on Dec 6 2004, 11:57 AM, said:

3H.
Very few hcp are "working".

The Kx of spades is great, sure.
A of diamonds is a great holding if opposite a singleton, but the fact that pard did not reopen with a double, suggests he has good chances of holding a diamonds void, in which case our Ace is close to useless.

Not to mention the minor honors in diamonds, which are totally wasted.

Aside of that, we provide no useful cards.

So, we owe pard a raise, because of the (ugly) support, but outr honors were by no means reevaluated. The useful honor points are no more than 7, maybe less if pard had the D void.

Our 3H raise should show exatctly some decent 7-8 count with support and without great shape, which is what we have: so if he has a 5-losers 55 or 65 in a major OR a genuine reverse in hcp, he'll bid game.

SAxxxx HAQxxx Dx Cxx would be enough for a game(trump 2-2 or HK on side), which contains 6 losers, and I don't really think partner should bid 4H here facing a normal 7-8 HCP hand: Sxx HJxxx DQJxxx CAx. So a most scientific bid is 3D here to show a better
invitation and 4H is probably also OK, but 3H is an underbid because you have 3 cover cards. 4H actually makes facing many 6 loser minimum: SAxxxxx HAKxx Dx Cxx, you need H 3-2 and S 3-2, which qualifies a red 4H. SQTxxxx HKQJx Dx CAx, you also need
both suits break. SAxxxx HAKxx D- CJxxx, you need some luck in majors and friendly leads, but not hopeless. So overally, I believe 3D is the best bid showing a good raise
to 3H, and even if you bid 3D, you still may miss a good game facing some good minimum hands. The assumption here is that I assume 2H show some extra in either HCP or shape(a 6 or less losers hand) and I know why many bid 3H here, because they don't show any extra by 2H here.
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Posted 2004-December-06, 16:12

Agree 100% with Chamaco
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Posted 2004-December-06, 18:19

i don't quite agree, mainly because of his "Very few hcp are "working"." ... they're *all* working... i think this hand is worth 3 tricks, maybe 4... anyway, either 3h or 4h could be correct on any given lie of the cards
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Posted 2004-December-06, 18:25

3H only. Why did pd not re open with a X? He has a distributional hand, or perhaps holds a D void. If the latter, my DA is not pulling its full weight. If the former, he will bid 4H himself; besides my Hs are poor.
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Posted 2004-December-06, 18:35

Why am I the only one voting for 3? For me it is the stronger invitation to 4 than 3, and so exactly the middle-ground between the popular options of 3 and 4. What does everyone think would 3 mean?

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Posted 2004-December-06, 21:36

cherdano, on Dec 6 2004, 04:35 PM, said:

Why am I the only one voting for 3? For me it is the stronger invitation to 4 than 3, and so exactly the middle-ground between the popular options of 3 and 4. What does everyone think would 3 mean?

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As I mentioned in the other post, 3 is natural.

Marshall Miles mentioned this in one of the Southern Cal Bridge News columns a number of years ago. He was adamant that 3 should be natural and most of the others agreed.
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  Posted 2004-December-06, 23:08

Pass is clearcut. Pard didn't jump - that and they could easily have hands like QT9xx AKxx -- Kxxx where the king of clubs is dubious at best. I'm assuming pard does NOT have what I need to get this to a razor thin game.

That, and I refuse to make game invites.
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Posted 2004-December-09, 09:05

Partner didn´t reopen with double so I´m afraid of a K-A-ruff lead.

3 is enough to me.
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