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IMP team, Both Vul
holding ♠ K5 ♥ 8754 ♦ AJT95 ♣ 76

Partner open 1♠, RHO overcall 2♦, you pass and pray partner will reopen
a double, but he reopens 2♥. What is your bid now?

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The system is assumed SAYC and common sense bidding.

[mike777]

4h, p can bid again

[pclayton]

4♥. I'll have some kind words for those that venture 3♦

[whereagles]

If partner's bidding can be trusted I bid 4H. Otherwise a simple 3H will do it.

[Free]

I don't like the "both Vul" overcall with poor ♦s, so I'll just invite with 3♥ and let p decide as well...

[bearmum]

arrows, on Dec 5 2004, 08:15 AM, said:

IMP team, Both Vul
holding ♠ K5  ♥ 8754  ♦ AJT95  ♣ 76

Partner open 1♠, RHO overcall 2♦, you pass and pray partner will reopen
a double, but he reopens 2♥. What is your bid now?

To my way of thinking P had a hand with less than 16 points 5♠ and 4 (possibly 5)♥. I would just bid 3♥ as my hand is NOT that crash hot

[HeartA]

3♥ for me. ♠K and ♦A are good cards, but that's it.

[cf_John0]

3H is moderate.

[luke warm]

4♥

[Chamaco]

3H.
Very few hcp are "working".

The Kx of spades is great, sure.
A of diamonds is a great holding if opposite a singleton, but the fact that pard did not reopen with a double, suggests he has good chances of holding a diamonds void, in which case our ♦ Ace is close to useless.

Not to mention the minor honors in diamonds, which are totally wasted.

Aside of that, we provide no useful cards.

So, we owe pard a raise, because of the (ugly) ♥ support, but outr honors were by no means reevaluated. The useful honor points are no more than 7, maybe less if pard had the D void.

Our 3H raise should show exatctly some decent 7-8 count with support and without great shape, which is what we have: so if he has a 5-losers 55 or 65 in a major OR a genuine reverse in hcp, he'll bid game.

[junyi_zhu]

Chamaco, on Dec 6 2004, 11:57 AM, said:

3H.
Very few hcp are "working".

The Kx of spades is great, sure.
A of diamonds is a great holding if opposite a singleton, but the fact that pard did not reopen with a double, suggests he has good chances of holding a diamonds void, in which case our ♦ Ace is close to useless.

Not to mention the minor honors in diamonds, which are totally wasted.

Aside of that, we provide no useful cards.

So, we owe pard a raise, because of the (ugly) ♥ support, but outr honors were by no means reevaluated. The useful honor points are no more than 7, maybe less if pard had the D void.

Our 3H raise should show exatctly some decent 7-8 count with support and without great shape, which is what we have: so if he has a 5-losers 55 or 65 in a major OR a genuine reverse in hcp, he'll bid game.

SAxxxx HAQxxx Dx Cxx would be enough for a game(trump 2-2 or HK on side), which contains 6 losers, and I don't really think partner should bid 4H here facing a normal 7-8 HCP hand: Sxx HJxxx DQJxxx CAx. So a most scientific bid is 3D here to show a better
invitation and 4H is probably also OK, but 3H is an underbid because you have 3 cover cards. 4H actually makes facing many 6 loser minimum: SAxxxxx HAKxx Dx Cxx, you need H 3-2 and S 3-2, which qualifies a red 4H. SQTxxxx HKQJx Dx CAx, you also need
both suits break. SAxxxx HAKxx D- CJxxx, you need some luck in majors and friendly leads, but not hopeless. So overally, I believe 3D is the best bid showing a good raise
to 3H, and even if you bid 3D, you still may miss a good game facing some good minimum hands. The assumption here is that I assume 2H show some extra in either HCP or shape(a 6 or less losers hand) and I know why many bid 3H here, because they don't show any extra by 2H here.

[PriorKnowledge]

Agree 100% with Chamaco

[luke warm]

i don't quite agree, mainly because of his "Very few hcp are "working"." ... they're *all* working... i think this hand is worth 3 tricks, maybe 4... anyway, either 3h or 4h could be correct on any given lie of the cards

[the hog]

3H only. Why did pd not re open with a X? He has a distributional hand, or perhaps holds a D void. If the latter, my DA is not pulling its full weight. If the former, he will bid 4H himself; besides my Hs are poor.

[cherdano]

Why am I the only one voting for 3♦? For me it is the stronger invitation to 4♥ than 3♥, and so exactly the middle-ground between the popular options of 3♥ and 4♥. What does everyone think would 3♦ mean?

Arend

[pclayton]

cherdano, on Dec 6 2004, 04:35 PM, said:

Why am I the only one voting for 3♦? For me it is the stronger invitation to 4♥ than 3♥, and so exactly the middle-ground between the popular options of 3♥ and 4♥. What does everyone think would 3♦ mean?

Arend

As I mentioned in the other post, 3♦ is natural.

Marshall Miles mentioned this in one of the Southern Cal Bridge News columns a number of years ago. He was adamant that 3♦ should be natural and most of the others agreed.

[keylime]

Pass is clearcut. Pard didn't jump - that and they could easily have hands like QT9xx AKxx -- Kxxx where the king of clubs is dubious at best. I'm assuming pard does NOT have what I need to get this to a razor thin game.

That, and I refuse to make game invites.

[Fluffy]

Partner didn´t reopen with double so I´m afraid of a ♦K-♦A-ruff lead.

3♥ is enough to me.