[Hanoi5]

White vs Red, Cavendish:

♠Ax
♥AQx
♦xx
♣AQJxxx

1♣-1♦
???

[cherdano]

2NT.

[lalldonn]

3♣

[mike777]

prefer 2nt with no shortness, even if we assume pard wont have a 4 card major unless a gf hand.

[kayin801]

3♣ > 2NT

[aguahombre]

3♣ on the conditions.

Probably 2N screwing around at the local club.

[Hanoi5]

Today I was way off with my evaluation (as usual?):

♠AK87
♥Axx
♦Axxxx
♣x

P-1♦-P-1♠
P-???

[aguahombre]

Hanoi5, on 2012-November-14, 20:50, said:

Today I was way off with my evaluation (as usual?):

♠AK87
♥Axx
♦Axxxx
♣x

P-1♦-P-1♠
P-???

Not sure what this hand has to do with the title, but we have a 3♠ rebid available to show an unbalanced intermediate hand with 4-card spade support. Maybe a bit old fashioned, but...

[the hog]

Hanoi5, on 2012-November-14, 20:50, said:

Today I was way off with my evaluation (as usual?):

♠AK87
♥Axx
♦Axxxx
♣x

P-1♦-P-1♠
P-???

Uh, does this fit in this thread?
3S. wtp?

[mike777]

Hanoi5, on 2012-November-14, 20:50, said:

Today I was way off with my evaluation (as usual?):

♠AK87
♥Axx
♦Axxxx
♣x

P-1♦-P-1♠
P-???

assume the issue is between 3s or 4c?

[Codo]

2 NT and 3 ♣ are not insane in the first example,

3 ♠ is not insane in the second one.

[Hanoi5]

Codo, on 2012-November-15, 03:03, said:

2 NT and 3 ♣ are not insane in the first example

So, are 2NT and 3♣ equivalent? I believe 2NT shows 18-19 while 3♣ 15-17, shall partner bid 3NT over both rebids with:

♠Tx
♥Kxx
♦ATxxx
♣8xx

[Codo]

If 3 ♣ is 15-17, you at least meet the HCP criteria, but your hand is for sure too strong. What will you do with an unbalanced club one suiter with 18-19 then? Whatever you do, if you decide to treat the hand as not balanced, you should choose that bid... I have no idea, what is common sense and I play the jump as 16-18, so I could rebid with this hand 3 ♣.

But of course, I would choose 2 NT, because this shows the real nature of the hand.

With partners hand, I would rebid 3 ♥ over 3 ♣- showing a stopper, asking for help in spades and 3 NT over 2 NT.

[Cyberyeti]

2N, a heavy 3♣ and a slightly underweight 3N (if you play it as this sort of hand) are all not insane on the original.

On the second hand, this is a potentially huge hand. I want to be in game opposite a lot of hands where partner won't accept an invite (and might not even respond to 1♦) QJxxx, x, xxx, xxxx would seem to give me chances for example. What's the worst that could happen ? something like Jxxx, xxx, Jx, KJxx where you might not make 3. Teams or pairs ? Pairs probably 3♠, teams I think I'm committing to game, depends on agreements on what splinters show as to whether I can afford to splinter.

[ahydra]

3C (kinda like 2NT though), 3S. To be honest the second hand doesn't look that great to me.

ahydra

[ahydra]

double post

[rhm]

2NT on the first
4♣ on the second one. It pays to overbid slightly and 4♣ is only a slight overbid to describe your hand.

Rainer Herrmann

[Phil]

3♣. This hand looks a lot more like 15(+)-18(-) with six good clubs than a balanced 18-19 with 3334.

3♠ is obvious on the 2nd.

[lalldonn]

I learned 3♣ as 16-18, don't know where 15-17 came from. I would rebid 2♣ with 11-15, which of course has a wider range since there is more room to invite over it.

As for this particular hand I am not saying 2NT is insane but I don't know why you would do it. If partner is passing our bid I'd probably rather be in 3♣ than 2NT. If partner is bidding over it then I don't see what 2NT gained for me. It's not like opening 1NT on a slightly worse hand, where I get the advantages of preemption and hiding my shape. They already aren't bidding and they know I have clubs. Is it just a matter of fooling them a little?

[aguahombre]

Good post, Josh. I figured you would be too busy plotting with the LV clowns to win the $20 bet about Stayman from JLall.