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...or not to bid?

Poll: ...or not to bid? (19 member(s) have cast votes)

Do you bid a natural 2H ?

  1. Of course I bid anytime, it's a bidder's game! (15 votes [78.95%])

    Percentage of vote: 78.95%

  2. I bid, but only if 1NT is 12-14 (1 votes [5.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.26%

  3. I bid, but only if 1NT is 15-17 (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. No, I don't bid 2H, but I Dbl if 12-14 (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. No, I don't bid 2H, but I always Dbl (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. I would have bid at the table - in this poll I won't! (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. I would never bid (3 votes [15.79%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.79%

Do you like the 2H bid more, if it shows a minor side suit?

  1. I always bid 2H (nat or 2-suiter) (5 votes [26.32%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.32%

  2. Yes, I like the 2H bid more, if it shows a minor, too (10 votes [52.63%])

    Percentage of vote: 52.63%

  3. No, I like the 2H bid more, if it is natural (2 votes [10.53%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.53%

  4. No, I never bid 2H (2 votes [10.53%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.53%

Would you be more prone to bid, if you play DONT?

  1. I always bid, and now choose 2D (D+major) (12 votes [63.16%])

    Percentage of vote: 63.16%

  2. I always bid, and now choose Dbl (one-suiter) (1 votes [5.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.26%

  3. Yes, 2D if DONT is available rather than 2H (nat) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. No, rather 2H (nat) if that is available, than 2D (DONT) (4 votes [21.05%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.05%

  5. No, I never bid on this hand (2 votes [10.53%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.53%

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#1 User is offline   nielsfoged 

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Posted 2012-November-12, 17:37

Team/IMPs a) 1NT=15-17 b) 1NT=12-14

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Posted 2012-November-12, 21:25

Any conventional bid that shows H and another.
"The King of Hearts a broadsword bears, the Queen of Hearts a rose." W. H. Auden.
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Posted 2012-November-16, 15:59

3H=Lebensohl (GF, exactly 4 spades, no heart stopper)

Team/Imps. This is the full deal and bidding.
Maybe a little unfortunate for South, but afterwards, I actually felt I should have foreseen that my 2♥ bid had little chance of doing any good, and was quite likely to cause troubles for our side rather than the opponents.
Still, the poll shows that >90% of the participants found it a good idea to bid in South. Also at the tables most EW pairs avoided 3NT and successfully reached 4S or 5C instead - something which is not easy to do without interference, if EW opens 15 balanced with 1NT.
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Posted 2012-November-16, 16:29

Never try for a red suit partial when you can set 3NT.
Let this hand be reopening if they stop.
It's a nothing hand against 4S,5C - not even putting
opponents to a tough game decision guess.
Why blab?
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Posted 2012-November-16, 16:43

I show hearts and a minor, or whatever convention fits these suits. If I pass they get to spades and I'm the one left guessing on the 3 level. Or even worse they might transfer to clubs. It's not like you know they will just get to 3NT.
"What's the big rebid problem? After 1♦ - 1♠, I can rebid 1NT, 2♠, or 2♦."
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Posted 2012-November-16, 17:01

I think that east-west should be able to avoid 3NT even when they have the whole auction to themselves.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2012-November-16, 22:01

I disagree han, at least me I'd jump to 3NT after stayman.

Anyway, if you feel like you don't wanna bid again with this hand in case opponents have a moysan fit in spades that ruffs on the 4s hand but still makes because partner has a yarborough you have an over-learning problem.
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Posted 2012-November-17, 04:02

View Posthan, on 2012-November-16, 17:01, said:

I think that east-west should be able to avoid 3NT even when they have the whole auction to themselves.

How?

Rainer Herrmann
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Posted 2012-November-17, 05:48

View Postrhm, on 2012-November-17, 04:02, said:

How?

As responder I would show a game-force with 4-5 in the black suits, by whatever means the partnership uses. If that were all that opener knew, he wouldn't choose to play 3NT.

This in itself isn't a perfect solution - if the hands were KQxx Ax xx QJxxx and AJx xxxx K10x AKx we'd want to be in 3NT. It wouldn't usually cost to reach 4♠, but it would be disappointing to get to 5♣.

If your methods allow you to bid
1NT-2♣
2♥-3♣
3♦
showing values in diamonds, that would do the job. You'd get to 4♠ or 5♣ opposite the original responding hand, and 3NT opposite the one with ♥Ax.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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