[aguahombre]

MrAce, on 2012-October-21, 13:30, said:

.... if i started 2♦ i would bid 2♠ now over 2♥ cue. There is no way i would skip spades if i had 4 of them.

Yep. Finally some common ground on this one. That continuation after 2D should get the message across that you have a range of zip, have 4 diamonds/only 3 spades, and want to use the green card next.

[rmnka447]

I'm in the 1 ♠ camp mostly because it is the cheapest bid available and gives partner the maximum room to respond.

If that doesn't work well when pard holds a moose and cues, so be it.

Give partner something like ♠ Axx ♥ xx ♦ Ax ♣ AKJxxx and 2 ♦ may have just got us past our last makable contract -- 2 ♣.

[Cyberyeti]

rmnka447, on 2012-October-21, 14:41, said:

Give partner something like ♠ Axx ♥ xx ♦ Ax ♣ AKJxxx and 2 ♦ may have just got us past our last makable contract -- 2 ♣.

Yes, and the way I play, he'd have overcalled 2♣ with that, depends on your methods.

[aguahombre]

rmnka447, on 2012-October-21, 14:41, said:

I'm in the 1 ♠ camp mostly because it is the cheapest bid available and gives partner the maximum room to respond.

If that doesn't work well when pard holds a moose and cues, so be it.

Give partner something like ♠ Axx ♥ xx ♦ Ax ♣ AKJxxx and 2 ♦ may have just got us past our last makable contract -- 2 ♣.

Partner has a 2C overcall, and an unfortunate duplication in clubs (the Jack in both hands). You gotta make the hand stronger, IMO, to illustrate your point. But, if you do, it will probably make more than 2C.

[lalldonn]

rmnka447, on 2012-October-21, 14:41, said:

I'm in the 1 ♠ camp mostly because it is the cheapest bid available and gives partner the maximum room to respond.

If that doesn't work well when pard holds a moose and cues, so be it.

Give partner something like ♠ Axx ♥ xx ♦ Ax ♣ AKJxxx and 2 ♦ may have just got us past our last makable contract -- 2 ♣.

The opponents' last making contract is 3♥ or 4♥...

[ggwhiz]

Cyberyeti, on 2012-October-20, 17:02, said:

That is why I think partner is marked with a huge hand, his hand is pretty minimum if short in hearts.

I agree that somebody has a huge hand but it could easily be my lho and that's why I lean towards 1♠. If lho has the big one, maybe he can show it with 1nt or a jump and I'm hoping that will slow partner down with their own good hand.

[lalldonn]

MrAce, on 2012-October-21, 13:30, said:

Since we all threw our 2 cents, repeatedly, about what we should start with and why, may i take attention to a different choice in this auction ? What would you guys prefer with pds hand, after he doubled and heard a-1♠ b-2♦ ? 2♥ or 3♥ or 4♥ if pd bid spades ? Because there seems also different ideas about this as well. I personally think 3♥ is the bid that describes our hand best but i would like to hear what everybody thinks and of course why.

I would force to game so I would bid 4♥, though 3♥ is fine if you aren't forcing to game. I don't agree with the idea that if partner has Txxxx xxx xx xxx or something he should bid game over 3♥. (I thought you said that but I can't find it, or maybe it was someone else?) That is not practical since if partner makes game opposite a 0 count he should bid game. I wouldn't accept without at least a working card outside.

I just don't cater my bidding to partner holding the worst hand possible, and especially not to holding three spades when he bids spades. Sure I would bid 1♠ with xxx xxxxx xxx xx but I can't remember ever actually doing it so it's not like I'm going to worry about it.

[aguahombre]

ggwhiz, on 2012-October-21, 14:58, said:

I agree that somebody has a huge hand but it coyuld easily be my lho and that's why I lean towards 1♠. If lho has the big one, maybe he can show it with 1nt or a jump and I'm hoping that will slow partner down with their own good hand.

And I am kinda hoping LHO cannot show that with a 1NT bid over my 2D.

[Cyberyeti]

SteveMoe, on 2012-October-20, 14:33, said:

Can we infer we are talking about MP Pairs? If so the Major suit bias weighs heavily.

Nope, teams league played over 4 fixed nights, my 3 team mates were all on holiday.

To lalldonn:

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It's kind of making me laugh that it seems like everyone who bids 1♠, with the notable exception of Mr. Ace, thinks partner will just cuebid and pass 2♠ on all kinds of hands that frankly are worth a game force or extremely close.

This was the point I was rather clumsily trying to make. By saying I would cue over 1♥-X-P-1♠-P with AKxx, xx, KJx, AKJx, I clearly must go again if I cue and partner bids 2♠ on the original hand, so I'm playing 3♠ at least.

[phil_20686]

I am a 2D bidder.

[MrAce]

lalldonn, on 2012-October-21, 15:05, said:

I would force to game so I would bid 4♥, though 3♥ is fine if you aren't forcing to game. I don't agree with the idea that if partner has Txxxx xxx xx xxx or something he should bid game over 3♥. (I thought you said that but I can't find it, or maybe it was someone else?) That is not practical since if partner makes game opposite a 0 count he should bid game. I wouldn't accept without at least a working card outside.

I just don't cater my bidding to partner holding the worst hand possible, and especially not to holding three spades when he bids spades. Sure I would bid 1♠ with xxx xxxxx xxx xx but I can't remember ever actually doing it so it's not like I'm going to worry about it.

No you are not wrong, i said it. And i stand by my opinion about it. (i guess i said it while quoting Rainer and before that too) It is not about only between 3 card spades and 5 card spades, there are also 4 card spade hands. I would definetely bid 4♠ with 5 of them over 3♥. It makes a lot of difference imo to have 9 card fit.

[lalldonn]

Timo you gotta kill the signature man. It's putting me on massive tilt

[655321]

aguahombre, on 2012-October-21, 15:07, said:

ggwhiz, on 2012-October-21, 14:58, said:

I agree that somebody has a huge hand but it could easily be my lho and that's why I lean towards 1♠. If lho has the big one, maybe he can show it with 1nt or a jump and I'm hoping that will slow partner down with their own good hand.

And I am kinda hoping LHO cannot show that with a 1NT bid over my 2D.

2♦. Because diamonds is my longest suit. Trying to predict everyone else's hand and distorting your bid to fit your diagnosis instead of your hand is going about things backwards. Just bid your hand.

[bigbenvic]

I would bid 1♠ on Qxx xxx Txxx xxx but not on this hand. I have visions of defending 4♥ whacked and partner giving up tricks by leading ♠.

He'll probably give up tricks anyway but at least I can win the post mortum when I bid 2♦.

[MrAce]

lalldonn, on 2012-October-21, 18:12, said:

Timo you gotta kill the signature man. It's putting me on massive tilt

Oh hell no !!

Kidding, it will stay untill my next one coming up tho. Pretty soon. Working on it

[zasanya]

MrAce, on 2012-October-22, 00:58, said:

Oh hell no !!

Kidding, it will stay untill my next one coming up tho. Pretty soon. Working on it

. If D.O.T shuts down the road, then we log on to BBO and play bridge or log onto BBF and laugh a lot !!
Some of the responses by some of the posters on BBF suggest laughter? I think not.